Drive foot turnout = posture problem?

Since bringing my dd to the NW clinic last month weve made our main focus correct posture. Im wondering if her drive foot turnout is making it more diffucult for her to land in a balanced position with good posture. How important is it to get her drive foot to stop turning out. Ive seen a lot of info online stating that turnout is bad and needs to be corrected. Wanted to see what dfp experts thought. Thanks

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Psyco Si said:

Since bringing my dd to the NW clinic last month weve made our main focus correct posture. Im wondering if her drive foot turnout is making it more diffucult for her to land in a balanced position with good posture. How important is it to get her drive foot to stop turning out. Ive seen a lot of info online stating that turnout is bad and needs to be corrected. Wanted to see what dfp experts thought. Thanks

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Stand a ways out in front of her and have her sprint toward you. You should be able to identify how much her foot should be turned. That is, whatever the degree of turn-out is during her sprint is the degree of turnout you should look for in her drive.

Here's quote from the drive mech thread, straight from the Man; Java

This introduces a subject that has led to a couple heated debates on DFP…*drive foot turn-out. Drive foot turn-out is*completely natural and NOT a negative thing. Every decent sprinter in the world does it… many pitchers do it, and if your DD doesn’t do it…*you're*limiting the amount she can engage the largest muscles in her leg… and they’d like to help her drive forcefully off the plate…so let them! If you still don’t believe it… well… you might be getting in your own way... and hers.

All this said… I often limit drive foot turn-out. Turning the drive foot out much more than 45-degrees (I prefer only what is necessary) is*counterproductive… similar to stretching a muscle too far… you’ll negate the directional force if you take it too far… and put the quads at a disadvantage.

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Tons of good info in here, save it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kPDpB8W_mcb1aCQkRqsAY4gRLLWFulh6ndatlK6KjdA/mobilebasic

Shoot us a video and we'll do our best to you started out on the right foot

Ken B said:

Shoot us a video and we'll do our best to you started out on the right foot

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Ok, she has a tourni this weekend. Ill get some good videos then report back for some help.

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Psyco Si said:

Ok, she has a tourni this weekend. Ill get some good videos then report back for some help.

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I'll be at VGSA and Delta Park watching some of my kids pitch this weekend. Let me know if you're at either and I'll stop by and watch for a bit.

shaker1 said:

Here's quote from the drive mech thread, straight from the Man; Java

Tons of good info in here, save it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kPDpB8W_mcb1aCQkRqsAY4gRLLWFulh6ndatlK6KjdA/mobilebasic

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Great post Shake and I agree wholeheartedly even if this post slipped by me months ago.! I think most don't pay attention or put emphasis on it. Probably because they don't understand it or why it is necessary or how it helps or IMO can take a full circle drill, TTL, or others and make the transition to the circle so much easier.

Java stated it best.....and I quote "This introduces a subject that has led to a couple heated debates on DFP…*drive foot turn-out. Drive foot turn-out is*completely natural and NOT a negative thing. Every decent sprinter in the world does it… many pitchers do it, and if your DD doesn’t do it…*you're*limiting the amount she can engage the largest muscles in her leg… and they’d like to help her drive forcefully off the plate…so let them! If you still don’t believe it… well… you might be getting in your own way... and hers."

Java has made some really good statements but I think this is one of his best.

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Better to focus on driving the hips, shoulders, knees, nose and toes forwards towards the target. The feet will orient however needed to support that effort.

Ken B said:

Better to focus on driving the hips, shoulders, knees, nose and toes forwards towards the target. The feet will orient however needed to support that effort.

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Again, as I said, some get it and some don't. I will stand by Java's statement...."If you still don’t believe it… well… you might be getting in your own way... and hers."

Baseball pitchers turn the foot out a full 90 degrees and it doesn't seem to limit their ability to engage all the muscles in the leg necessary for a strong leg drive. Two summers ago I got a call from the father of girl that used to take lessons from me. She had moved on to a showcase team and took lessons from their pitching coach. He was concerned because she was struggling and seemed to have lost velocity. I met with them and could see that her mechanics had changed significantly. After talking with them about her workout regimen I discovered that on the recommendation of her new coach she was using a device that attached to the pitching plate that kept her foot from turning out, I think it was called the Power Push. Not being able to turn out her foot limited her ability to get her hips open which affected her shoulders opening and so on down the line. Some pitchers have the ability to twist after takeoff and get properly aligned, she did not was struggling. I generally don't bother with teaching turn out as long as I think my pitcher is fully loading the leg and using the ball of the foot on push off.