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While "some" of that may be true at the college/pro level, it has most definitely not been the experience of many youth pitchers (and their teams and coaches) from the very beginning of their pitching careers up thru 18U in Rec, Travel or HS ball.

I'm not following your point here? The Kelly Barnhills and Cat Ostermans of the world have been pitching "illegally" since they were teenagers in PGF, ASA, and high school and it didn't hurt their careers. For example, at my DD's high school they never have more than one umpire during the regular season and it's very difficult to police the pitcher's mechanics, check on the batter in the batter's box, look at the base runners for leaving early and calling ball and strikes. There is just too many things going on during play for one umpire to police IPs effectively. Combine that with the fact that most tournament directors want to keep the pace of play moving in timed PGF, ASA, USSSA games, they don't want the game to slow down to a crawl by calling every little leap or replant, and this is assuming that the typical umpire understands the rules (e.g. is there a hole in front of the pitching plate and therefore leaping is ok?) In my experience coaching and attending 100's of youth softball games, very few IPs are ever called and when they are called, they are enforced very inconsistently. Some pitchers could be called for an IP every pitch and yet I have NEVER been to a game where an IP is called 5, 6, 20 times in a row, even though technically you could make the argument.

As I mentioned before, not many (other than the DFP fanatics) really pay much attention to correct pitching mechanics. If the powers that be really wanted to get rid of illegal mechanics they would have a "pitching umpire" whose only responsibility would be to look for illegal mechanics. But the cost of such person would make the games too cost prohibitive for many teams. At the end of the day, things would be much better and simpler to allow the women to pitch under the men's rules. 90% of all fastpitch is NOT played at the collegiate level, I say let the kids pitch in a manner that is more natural and consistent with international rules of softball. It will get there some day, hopefully sooner than later.

Lastly, if you watched the FSU/WA championship game, Meghan King did not even have her back foot on the pitching plate during every pitch. This should be very easy for the base umpire to see and call but it never, ever get called. Do you think the pitcher knows if her back foot is on rubber or not? Of course she does but no one ever calls it as an IP, same with striding outside the 24 inch lane. Everyone cried foul about a little leap but are silent when it comes to these other infractions.
 
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I was referring to this part of your statement - "The only people that really care are on DFP". ;-)

My point is simply that in my experience it is NOT just the DFP fanatics who notice an IP and that it does get called in youth games fairly often (notice I am not saying consistently). I'm not here to argue which way the rules should or should not be changed at this point...simply that in my own experience I've seen kids (my own DD being only one example) get called for various types of "illegal pitches"in ASA, USSSA, Triple Crown, PGF, High School and NCAA games. Opposing coaches/parents bring it up, sometimes the ump(we're lucky in that we usually have 2) will give a warning other times just call it immediately, and yes it upsets the flow of the game, wastes time, throws off some pitchers mojo, etc.. Will it hurt their careers? Haha, I don't know but young pitchers across America spend countless hours learning how to pitch and I'm guessing most of them at some point are being taught what is legal and what is not under current our current rule set. If, as you are trying to claim, it doesn't matter then we are all wasting a lot of time. Clarification of, and consistent enforcement of the rules surrounding pitching would be great...I'm all for it. My kid at age 15 is coachable and I'm sure we could learn to leap & replant if that's truly the direction of the game... Again, all I'm saying is it is NOT just some of us on the DFP website talking about it as you appeared to claim. Now, if you are referring to correct pitching mechanics vs bad mechanics rather than an illegal/legal pitch I would tend to agree!
 
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shaker1

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Thank you Shaker for the gifs.
I did notice last nite the replant. It is common to see anymore at all levels, is never called, that I mostly overlook it. ESPN was showing the drop spin and it sure looked like an HE delivery. So I figured the communal brain trust would know! :)
Looking at the GIFs, what I see is: She is pulling the ball down the back side, seems to get IR as the arm goes 9 to 6 oclock. But it seems she does not get the brush and consequently, the whip we all so covetously seek. (at least when I compare to the gifs of Sarah P. Ueno etc.)
Do others agree?
I am interested as DD still does not get as much brush/whip as I think is optimal.
Thanks!
Here's a better view. To me she has a very good whip and brush. She stays more open than some. This particular pitch was a 65 mph drop
 
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