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Aug 10, 2015
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My DD is a Jr. in High School. She has been pretty successful pitching in travel ball and has 2 offers to pitch at the collegiate level. She missed last yrs high school season due to injury, this year she is the #1 pitcher on her HS team. We live in Southren Illinois and play the best tournaments within a couple hrs of home with some pretty competitive teams and she does really well. She threw a 1-0 shutout at a tournament in st. louis last yr, against A level team from St. Louis, a parent from the other team sat behind the catcher with a radar gun gunning every pitch. He came up to me after the game and told me that he does that every game they play and that my daughter threw as hard as anyone he had gunned all yr and that her performance that game was the best he had seen all yr. She seems to do pretty at any level she plays.

Her go to pitches are a riseball, curveball, backdoor curve and a really nice changeup. She can hit all of these pitches with pretty good accuracy and consistency. She can also throw a drop, but she is not real consistent with it. Her velocity is right at 60mph. She is good enough with these pitches that her TB coach will usually only call a few fastballs a game, when she does throw a fastball it is only in or out and at the knees. While we see girls that throw it harder she seems to overpower teams with a good riseball and good change that she can throw at anytime with her curveball thrown in when working low in the zone. The threat of a good changeup thrown at anytime in the count seems to add about 5mph to her riseball.

So High school season starts. Coach doesn't like riseball so calls a high fastball instead, daughter hasn't thrown fastball up In zone for 3 yrs. Loves the drop ball and wants to call it when throwing down in the zone. Calls on average 1 or 2 changeups a game. I watch batters pull their shoulders and wonder why we are throwing them inside, batters drop their shoulders that we throw drop balls too. Last yr playing 16U travel ball in 112 innings she gave up 4 home runs, tonight she gave up 3 in 1 2/3 innings. She came home so mad saying I don't understand I told her they was crowding the plate and she kept calling outside high fastballs. I talked to the catcher and she confirmed what my DD said. I am at a loss at what to tell my DD and not sure if I should go talk to HC or not. I have always just tried to sit in the stands and cheer on the team and let DD handle things herself but this is really bothering me and I am afraid by the time the season is over her confidence will be shaken if not destroyed. I am looking for others experience on how they handled situations like this.

Sorry for the long post but this is frustrating
 
Mar 24, 2014
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Think we're living the same situation. DD is a junior pitcher recently committed and have similar issues with pitch calling. The HC always calls pitches before the batter is in the box, has a "pitch of the day", etc. But I don't say anything to the HC, let my DD handle the situations as they arise. These situations I feel have made her a better player to work with the HC, make adjustments, and figure things out. Through working with the HC, they came to an agreement that she has options with pitch calling. For example, if they call fastball, DD might throw either rise or fastball. Maybe curve could either be curve or drop curve. A lot depends on what the umpire likes, such as giving more strikes to the drop curve.

I would recommend having your DD work with the HC and/or catcher to get the results she is looking for.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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Tell her to throw her pitches. Most coaches cannot tell the difference between a high fastball and a high riseball. Try to stay with the called location but every pitcher misses spots from time to time. :)
 
Mar 1, 2016
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DD is a catcher, so I’ll give that perspective. She can see when pitchers are getting frustrated so she calls timeout and goes to the circle for a talk. Sometimes it’s mechanics, sometimes she just tells a corny joke to get the pitcher to relax, but there are occasions when the pitcher is upset with the pitch calls because coach keeps calling stuff that isn’t working for her that day or stuff that is just plain stupid for that batter in that situation.

So she has a plan for that: when Coach calls that stupid “high fastball”, I’ll change it to a rise ball for you. When coach calls for the drop ball that isn’t working for you today, I’ll change it to your drop curve that is your favorite pitch. Get the idea? The coach can’t really tell the difference from the dugout most of the time anyway, and the battery will build more trust and confidence in each other because they know something that the coach doesn’t.


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marriard

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I have life lessons, but this is one of them. Our hs coach is actually good, but he is rubbish calling pitchs.

Your daughter needs to try to figure a way to communicate and work with the coach. 'Hey coach, I have worked really hard on 'xxx', can we work out in. 'hey coach, with that last batter I think we could have thrown xxxx because she was crowding the plate.'. My DD finally got her way with 'coach, you are putting me out there by with only 1/2 my weapons. That is not putting the team in a position to succeed'

Before mutiny, she should try everything in her power to work with her coach.

And yeah, most coaches couldn't tell a high fastball from a riseball. So it is a pretty safe pick to substitute in.

What can't happen is you stepping in to say anything. This is her battle to fight. Your role is to advise and support her. If it escalates and it becomes problematic than maybe it is time up step in, but your daughter needs to give it be a several shots to work it out by herself be before you even think about it

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Aug 10, 2015
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Thanks for the replies. Very frustrating but hopefully a learning experience for her. I think she is going to meet coach and have a heart to heart about her concerns and how she would like to pitch to hitters. Hopefully they respect her for taking this step and will try to move more her direction with pitch calling. If this doesn't work then I guess she will have to start missing her spots occasionally. She is just a Jr. and has another year playing school ball and she really likes playing with her schoolmates, even if our team isn't the greatest. I really think the coaches want to succeed but they have never had a pitcther like her and I hope they are willing to loosen the reins and let her do her thing.
 

obbay

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I too have been there!
When DD was a Freshman, The PC used to always call high fastballs. Used to drive the senior pitched (and her parents) nuts!
One preseason game, he kept calling them and the other team kept teeing off. DD and catcher kept complaining until finally the PC got frustrated with them and said "Fine! Call your own game!" Thinking he'd show them! 7 more batters came up and 7 batters went down and they pulled DD.
I don't know why middle-aged men who coach for 8 weeks a year seem to think they can call pitches better than a kid who's been training year-round since she was 12.
Same HC let catcher call every game his first year, because he couldn't but wanted to project the illusion of control. Catcher was catty and didn't like one of the best pitchers, so she would deliberately call pitches that would make P look bad. HC wouldn't allow her to shake any calls off.

I think the advice to replace the high fastball with the riseball and other similar advice was spot on!
 

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