Thanks--It really is confusing as I reread it. I'll edit it and let me know if seems a little more coherent.
How to stop bullet spin?
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Thanks--It really is confusing as I reread it. I'll edit it and let me know if seems a little more coherent.
Sorry gentlemen, Ken. I missed the boat. As soon as I read bullet spin, I just presume we are talking about someone trying to throw a rise ball.
Maybe we're talking semantics here...but how does the elbow "whip?" It's not at the "end" of the chain...
The elbow leads the hand thereby creating the lag position that creates the whip from proximal to distal.
With all due respect, can you clarify? Post a video of what you mean?
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Yes, there is a lag with the elbow... just like in throwing a baseball. And just like throwing a baseball, the elbow leads the way and is the first thing to "snap" or whip. Post a video? Just watch any of the world's top pitchers on Youtube. You'll see they lead down with the elbow and whip it across the body. There is not a single world class pitcher I can think of that doesn't do that when they are throwing hard.
Bill
Bill
I won't agree with your description. The elbow is the fulcrum. The hand is WHAT lags and whips. Look up type 3 levers.
The ELBOW does NOT whip across the body. Acceleration via deceleration. Proximal to distal.
Do you see the elbow moving ACROSS THE BODY in this clip?
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The video cuts off before it shows it but it looks to me like he hand is moving across to the left. So yes.
Perhaps I mispoke about what is "lagging". The elbow leads the way. the ball is lagging. Is that how you see it too?
Bill
Perhaps I mispoke about what is "lagging". The elbow leads the way. the ball is lagging. Is that how you see it too?
Bill
Yes the ball\hand lags...sure...upstream the elbow lags...its the sequence or "order of operations" that creates the whip in my world...
I'm not arguing with you...it's more for clarification for the readers...we met a few years ago at softball CON and had a similar conversation. If you recall the conversation...you said to me "when in doubt, think about what you would do\how you would move if you were throwing overhand" We were in the lobby after your speech...CP
The concept of elbow snap used to elude me as well, but I took some time to play with the feel of snapping the elbow. When I think about what I know happens based on hundreds of hours of watching slow motion video—elbow snap doesn’t work for me. However, if I feel for elbow snap—it makes complete sense. Since that revelation, I now use it as one of several cues I use with new kids. An email Bill sent me years ago about how to get a drop to really move has always stuck in the back of my mind—now it makes complete sense to me. The same feel works for teaching overhand throwing.
The feel really clicked for me the other day at the river. This throw REALLY sucqued, but I could still feel the elbow snap.
The feel really clicked for me the other day at the river. This throw REALLY sucqued, but I could still feel the elbow snap.
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Any bites? Friday night fish fry at Ken's.
You've got a hint of Jim Palmer in that golden arm. For vid #2...show us the Big Leagues!
Chris
You've got a hint of Jim Palmer in that golden arm. For vid #2...show us the Big Leagues!
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I have a faint recollection of that meeting. Coaches clinics like that are always neat, at the end "Are there any questions?" Nobody raises a hand. Then afterward I'm bumrushed by people with questions. Many are the SAME question.
I think we are saying the same thing, I just mispoke by saying the elbow lags.
Bill
