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Compare these pictures...the biggest difference is since Amanda's heel is not on the ground hers hip has released and is already in the proper position, your DD is going to try and release them in time for release but is not going to quite make it and be slightly more open at release.

Didn’t get a decent video as I was catching. PC talked about whip the first few lessons but as DD started missing wide right, PC has decided she needs to do flips and t’s with ball facing second. Said the arm cannot hit the body. I changed my terminology to brush, she still didn’t want that. I suggested that the missing on the pitches may be more of an issue with drive and posture on finish (timing). I may be back to the drawing board


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Very sorry to hear that... Sadly, it's a common experience. Hopefully there is someone out there who can help you.

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Didn’t get a decent video as I was catching. PC talked about whip the first few lessons but as DD started missing wide right, PC has decided she needs to do flips and t’s with ball facing second. Said the arm cannot hit the body. I changed my terminology to brush, she still didn’t want that. I suggested that the missing on the pitches may be more of an issue with drive and posture on finish (timing). I may be back to the drawing board


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Run for the hills!

I might be sorely tempted to scour the internet and find some video of her pitching...if she is not too far removed from her career. My guess is she pitched with brush. Anyway even if you are back to the drawing your DD should be fine. She has the basics down just focus on drive keeping everything straight until she releases from the plate then resisting the urge to stay open and drag her heel but keep her laces forward and heel off the ground (if it does touch it should only be what looks like a momentary bounce, it is easy enough to check her drag mark in the dirt they won't lie)

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Going to have to figure something out. I asked many questions and tried not to come across as a youtube cowboy(not sure i pulled that off flawlessly). DD struggled with doing what she asked and i really thought we needed to work on drive. We did get DD to drive off without a backswing to keep her shoulders square towards the target longer and that help with consistency a lot. Thanks for all your input. Will keep you posted. We may just have to work alone for a little while and see if we can learn together and maybe not kill each other.

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Going to have to figure something out. I asked many questions and tried not to come across as a youtube cowboy (not sure i pulled that off flawlessly). DD struggled with doing what she asked and i really thought we needed to work on drive. We did get DD to drive off without a backswing to keep her shoulders square towards the target longer and that help with consistency a lot. Thanks for all your input. Will keep you posted. We may just have to work alone for a little while and see if we can learn together and maybe not kill each other.

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I honestly would not worry about the back swing at all it's perfectly normal....my two cents.

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I might be sorely tempted to scour the internet and find some video of her pitching...if she is not too far removed from her career. My guess is she pitched with brush. Anyway even if you are back to the drawing your DD should be fine. She has the basics down just focus on drive keeping everything straight until she releases from the plate then resisting the urge to stay open and drag her heel but keep her laces forward and heel off the ground (if it does touch it should only be what looks like a momentary bounce, it is easy enough to check her drag mark in the dirt they won't lie)

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This should not just be a temptation - you need to see how your PC actually pitched. Many D1 level atheltes succeed despite of instruction because their athletic talent instinctively does what is needed (see Jenny Finch for example #1 - and your DD as well - at some point either this PC or a past one was asking for Hello Elbow finish and she will get it there even if the ball is already at the catcher).

If there is video already available great and if not ask her to demonstrate some pitches at full speed (i.e. not just demo a drill, actually warm up and throw) or come throw some BP for your DD's team and video it.

This is how the conversation goes:

"Here is you pitching in slow motion. You don't do anything like what you are teaching, but you actually do pitch like most high level pitchers we have seen do and we see others teaching exactly like this at places like DFP. Hillhouse, etc, etc."

Response One:
"I was a pitcher and successful and you will do it my way as it was how I was taught. How I pitched in college is advanced and we learn that when she gets the basics down. Now go back to wrist flips"

Response Two:
"Seeing myself in slow-motion I can see what you are saying. I am always willing to learn - let me go and look at what you are saying and see if there are things I can add to my knowledge"

8+/10 times you get response one and you go find a new PC. But if you can find a response two, you may have some luck.

Pay close attention to her lead (left side) hip and knee joints.
There is "hinging" here that results in loss of posture and leaks energy.
Look how firm Scarboro's front side is. "Stacked". "Aligned". "Resistive".

Lanky girls like yours (and mine) seem to struggle with this "hinging" at the waist.
And "softness" of the front knee.
Something to focus upon.

Most on this forum talk about the importance of "brush interference" at the the release point,
but this hinging and "butt-jut" posture at release makes BI next to impossible to achieve.

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Pay close attention to her lead (left side) hip and knee joints.
There is "hinging" here that results in loss of posture and leaks energy.
Look how firm Scarboro's front side is. "Stacked". "Aligned". "Resistive".

Lanky girls like yours (and mine) seem to struggle with this "hinging" at the waist.
And "softness" of the front knee.
Something to focus upon.

Most on this forum talk about the importance of "brush interference" at the the release point,
but this hinging and "butt-jut" posture at release makes BI next to impossible to achieve.

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She has grown a good bit and i think that working on the timing of everything is big right now. I tell her all the time that there are girls out there that can muscle their way through the pitches. She has do use her leverage. Just seems that when her timing is good, results are good. But get that timing off and she has trouble bringing it back together. Will work on the posture and resistance. May see if we can get the push back drill worked into some practices as well.