Is there a simple definition of HE?

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What should a relaxed and natural follow through look like?

The video shaker1 posted is good. College or other high level pitcher's follow-throughs may not be the best when looking for "loose and relaxed" because it can vary depending on the pitch being thrown.
 
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The video shaker1 posted is good. College or other high level pitcher's follow-throughs may not be the best when looking for "loose and relaxed" because it can vary depending on the pitch being thrown.

And, from what I've seen, some (many?) of them sort of fake the Hello Elbow finish after their follow-through is effectively over. Probably something they started doing to appease a bad pitching coach years ago.

Anyway, a "relaxed and natural follow through" probably looks a little different for everybody. In fact, I think if you're forcing yourself to emulate "relaxed and natural" you're probably not accomplishing much of either.
 

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I have not been able to find a simple definition of HE on this site, is there a thread that explains it?

DD started with a new PC today. The coach had her bring up her arm after the release and stop her arm so the her elbow was pointing to the catcher. Is that HE?

If your DD is just starting out, I would post a couple of videos on here, one from the side (throwing arm) and one from the back. There are numerous posters here that are very knowledgeable in IR who are very willing to help. I've reached out to several here myself. Tons of great info in the stickys. Start her out with IR and don't look back. Some of the very best info out there IMHO.
 
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If your DD is just starting out, I would post a couple of videos on here, one from the side (throwing arm) and one from the back. There are numerous posters here that are very knowledgeable in IR who are very willing to help. I've reached out to several here myself. Tons of great info in the stickys. Start her out with IR and don't look back. Some of the very best info out there IMHO.

This video is from the beginning of August, 3 1/2 weeks after she first started pitching. I don't have any more recent. I will try to get some videos this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8kEmfiT8Gs

She just pitch 2 innings in her first TB 14u game today (she played 12u town ball this past summer), 3K (2 looking), 1 BB, 1HBP. The head of the organization said she thought my DD did great, especially after pitching to a lefty for the first batter she faced. DD walked the lefty, didn't get rattled, and struck out two in that inning. This was against a JV team. Maybe this part belongs in Shameless Brag.
 
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I like the whip--looks pretty good. Drive can be improved using the 2 Step sequence. Adduction (pulling in together) is probably the biggest thing I'd focus on right now.

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To start, I'd back chain to work on pulling in together. Notice how her back leg is staying behind from 12 o'clock into release and how her glove is just going along for the ride? Use them both to pull in together from about 12 o'clock on.

See how Amanda is already adducting both her legs and arms at 12?

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I like the arm positioning although not perfect it's much closer than what she is doing with her lower body which is where I would start. Seems kinda weird since this was a thread about IR but while she does not follow through and whip as good as I'd like again I can tell she understand how to do it right but I think her lower half is holding her back figuratively and literally.

She really need to work on drive. First is just not opening up as her first action forward and staying open through the whole motion, right now she opens up by twisting her foot on the pitching plate, opening her hips and staying completely open through her release.
Look at the stripe on Amanda's softball pants now imagine that stripe on your DD at release that stripe would be facing second base, backwards...this is what I meant by literally holding her back. She can't brush her outer thigh like Amanda or some of the pitchers from a previous post because if she were attaining any brush which I'm not sure she is because she is soooo open that brush would be on the front of her thigh not the side.

For now if you could focus on drive so it looked more like this. You can look into threads more to I think there is one on drive. gooddrive2.jpg

Then during the release her back leg should not drag the ground try a cue of heel up or toe down/laces to the catcher and see if we can get the hip to release naturally.

Good luck...she looks pretty good just always room for improvement...ask questions if you are not sure...I'm tempted to make a video of the heel drag/anchor issue since it is fairly common.
 

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I like the whip--looks pretty good. Drive can be improved using the 2 Step sequence. Adduction (pulling in together) is probably the biggest thing I'd focus on right now.

To start, I'd back chain to work on pulling in together. Notice how her back leg is staying behind from 12 o'clock into release and how her glove is just going along for the ride? Use them both to pull in together from about 12 o'clock on.

See how Amanda is already adducting both her legs and arms at 12?

First, thanks so much for putting the effort into you reply.

What is the 2 Step sequence? What is back chain mean?

When you talk about Amanda at 12, do you mean when her right arm is pointing to 12 o'clock? I see how her mitt hand already started coming down when her are is at 12. It looks like her right leg is moving forward, (to adduct?) I don't see her left leg moving towards the middle.

She wants to practice with me today before team practice. If I can convince her sister to take videos, I should have them by tomorrow. I think someone mentioned getting side view and back view. Is that correct?
 

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