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If you throw a good flip change but it's only about 10 mph slower than your fastball, what does that mean? Should you be able to throw your fastball harder?
 
Oct 11, 2010
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Pick a FB number, 100 mph, CU about 90.

If you throw 60, CU about 50.

I am not sure if CU should be faster or slower but about right.

Biggest 2 things are:

1) batter is able to reset thier swing and regroup
2) not a big difference
 

sluggers

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May 26, 2008
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I don't understand the questions.

Are you asking, "Is a 10MPH difference between a fastball and a changeup enough of a difference?" If so, then the answer is "Yes".

Are you saying, "If a pitcher's changeup is 40 MPH and her fastball is 50MPH, should she be able to throw the fastball faster?" If so, then the answer is, "I don't know. Ask your DD."

But, anyway:

I believe these are the wrong questions. It sounds like you are fixated on the speed differential.

The key to an effective a change is NOT GIVING THE PITCH AWAY.

Remember that the key to good pitching is striking out the "good" batters. (If your DD is struggling getting the 7-8-9 batters out, her changeup isn't the problem.)

The effective pitchers with a changeup don't give any signs that they are throwing it...either before, during or after the pitch. The batters don't know it is coming.

E.g., if your DD takes more time "getting her grip" for a changeup than a fastball, the batters will pick it up. If she does a slightly different movement of her hands, the batters will pick it up.

At the younger ages, batters are not good at picking up indications of the pitch. As the batters mature, they become better at picking up pitches. So, you can have a kid pitching 14U that strikes batters out with her changeup suddenly starts getting pounded when she starts playing 16U.
 
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Pitching coach says the change should be 15 mph difference. Does that mean my DD fastball should be 5 mph faster or does she need to take more off of it? All other girls were throwing 14 to 15 mph slower. I asked and he said her fastball should be faster. Never seen anything on this.
 
Jan 28, 2017
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I don't understand the questions.

Are you asking, "Is a 10MPH difference between a fastball and a changeup enough of a difference?" If so, then the answer is "Yes".

Are you saying, "If a pitcher's changeup is 40 MPH and her fastball is 50MPH, should she be able to throw the fastball faster?" If so, then the answer is, "I don't know. Ask your DD."

But, anyway:

I believe these are the wrong questions. It sounds like you are fixated on the speed differential.

The key to an effective a change is NOT GIVING THE PITCH AWAY.

Remember that the key to good pitching is striking out the "good" batters. (If your DD is struggling getting the 7-8-9 batters out, her changeup isn't the problem.)

The effective pitchers with a changeup don't give any signs that they are throwing it...either before, during or after the pitch. The batters don't know it is coming.

E.g., if your DD takes more time "getting her grip" for a changeup than a fastball, the batters will pick it up. If she does a slightly different movement of her hands, the batters will pick it up.

At the younger ages, batters are not good at picking up indications of the pitch. As the batters mature, they become better at picking up pitches. So, you can have a kid pitching 14U that strikes batters out with her changeup suddenly starts getting pounded when she starts playing 16U.

Thanks. DD sells it very good in practice but can get better in the game. PC said, she should have more speed on her fastball due to the speed on her change. She has very good spin on the change. He wants her curve ball 2 mph slower than her fastball and it was but both should be 5 mph faster.
 
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PHP:
Silly,

FB is what it is, everything else is off that.

PC is very establish coach. DD is 11 and a little above average for her age. Her time slot is with two other girls that are a little better than her and 12. They both were 14 to 15 mph slower with the change and 2 mph slower with their curve. Perfect according to the pitching coach.

DD 10 mph slower with her change and 2 mph slower with her curve. Her fastball is slower than the other two girls and the change is the same speed as theirs.

He didn't make a big deal about it. He always stresses to throw your change harder than your fastball. First time he has clocked them in at least 6 months.
 

JAD

Feb 20, 2012
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A 10 MPH differential is pretty good, but most college coaches are looking for 12-15. That said, have your DD work to increase her top speed while continuing to work on take something off her change up. Have her try tucking a knuckle or lifting a a finger off the ball on her change while maintaining her arm speed.
 
Jan 28, 2017
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Diffinately going to work on the fastball speed. I think she puts more effort into the change. Thought it was interesting that he said with a good change you should be able to add round 15 mph. He was thrilled with the change. 5 mph would really help. Lol

Could be him just motivating.
 
Apr 28, 2014
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DDs FB was 57MPH at a show case this past summer and CU was 42-43.. Coaches liked that difference. But as said above it only works if you can fool the batter.
 

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