Barnhill-Collegiate Player of the year. #usasoftball

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martianr

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Jan 26, 2014
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Well, our worst nightmare has come true. Barnhill-Collegiate Player of the year. #usasoftball. to express your displeasure. Let me know who is going to tweet. And I'll join. I have tweeted my thoughts to others but no reply. BUT I am not going to quit.
 
May 17, 2012
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Congratulations to her I am sure she worked really hard over the years. While we may disagree with a technical movement in her pitching form it's nothing against her personally.

Never tear other people down when they have success.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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Orlando, FL
Congratulations to her I am sure she worked really hard over the years. While we may disagree with a technical movement in her pitching form it's nothing against her personally.

Never tear other people down when they have success.

I think that most would agree that success through ill gotten gains is not worthy of praise. Had she not been given a pass on her intentional, illegal actions she would be just another pitcher. Consider the facts:

1) She knows that she is pitching illegally.
2) She does it to gain a competitive advantage.
3) She does it because she expects she will not get caught.

No different than getting a batting or home run title with a juiced bat or by using HGH.
 
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Feb 7, 2013
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Congratulations to her I am sure she worked really hard over the years. While we may disagree with a technical movement in her pitching form it's nothing against her personally.

Never tear other people down when they have success.

Agree, and there is a long history and precedent of fastpitch pitchers not pitching within the rules and getting rewarded for it. Until they make the pitching rules where they can be consistently enforced at all levels, you will continue to see elite pitchers that are not technically within the rules. How many illegal pitchers did we just see in the regionals, dozens, and they all know exactly what they are doing and know that it won't be called so they push the envelope. Let's see if any of the umpires in the WCWS choose to enforce the pitching regulations or continue to allow pitchers to be loose with the rules?
 
May 17, 2012
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I think that most would agree that success through ill gotten gains is not worthy of praise. Had she not been given a pass on her intentional, illegal actions she would be just another pitcher. Consider the facts:

1) She knows that she is pitching illegally.
2) She does it to gain a competitive advantage.
3) She does it because she expects she will not get caught.

No different than getting a batting or home run title with a juiced bat or by using HGH.

1. How do you know that "she knows"? If I had to guess she probably does know but when you attack someones integrity you better be 100% with your facts. Short of her admitting it to you or on record you don't know for certain.

2. Leaving the base early is a competitive advantage as well. I have told my base-runners before to keep leaving earlier and earlier until the umpires calls it. If the other team is leaving early and we aren't now we are at a disadvantage. Your telling me I should be upset with the players for violating a rule in the rule book that's not being enforced by the umpires?

3. She didn't get caught and neither did the other pitchers who pitched illegally. It's not clear to me how you fault the player on a rule that the umpires, coaches, and the NCAA do not enforce.

It just strikes me as petty to attack the player(s) and not the powers at be that are condoning this.
 
Jun 12, 2015
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I don't like teaching my kiddo to break the rules til she gets caught. Not really a life lesson I'm going for.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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1. How do you know that "she knows"? If I had to guess she probably does know but when you attack someones integrity you better be 100% with your facts. Short of her admitting it to you or on record you don't know for certain.

2. Leaving the base early is a competitive advantage as well. I have told my base-runners before to keep leaving earlier and earlier until the umpires calls it. If the other team is leaving early and we aren't now we are at a disadvantage. Your telling me I should be upset with the players for violating a rule in the rule book that's not being enforced by the umpires?

3. She didn't get caught and neither did the other pitchers who pitched illegally. It's not clear to me how you fault the player on a rule that the umpires, coaches, and the NCAA do not enforce.

It just strikes me as petty to attack the player(s) and not the powers at be that are condoning this.

1) Yes, to me and others at a Diamond 9 event.

2) Irrelevant to the discussion.

3) Irrelevant to the discussion.


Instead lets stick to what we know:

1) She knows that she is pitching illegally.
2) She does it to gain a competitive advantage.
3) She does it because she expects she will not get caught.

As we know Barnhill meets all 3 criteria. Others, not the case. Sans her license to cheat Barnhill is just another pitcher. But like the talking heads on the networks you seem more than willing to drink the kool-aid and not "ruin a great story."

I have also been quite vocal about all the enablers for this behavior. The bottom line is that just because a rule is not enforced does not give one license to cheat and compete without integrity Some people do the right thing even when nobody is watching. Others will get away with anything they can until they get caught. You seem to advocate for the latter approach, while myself and most others advocate for the former. To each their own.
 
Sep 10, 2013
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2. Leaving the base early is a competitive advantage as well. I have told my base-runners before to keep leaving earlier and earlier until the umpires calls it. If the other team is leaving early and we aren't now we are at a disadvantage. Your telling me I should be upset with the players for violating a rule in the rule book that's not being enforced by the umpires?

no wonder the world is a mess. trying to get ahead even if one knows it's against the rules. in one word - integrity.

3. She didn't get caught and neither did the other pitchers who pitched illegally. It's not clear to me how you fault the player on a rule that the umpires, coaches, and the NCAA do not enforce.

I beg to differ. UK's prince got called. Tenn - maddy moss got called several times for a seemingly imperceptible IP that provided her with with NO BENEFIT. barnhill illegal on just about EVERY pitch. No drag mark, replant.

and i do agree that the fault lies with the UMPIRES, COACHES and NCAA who FAIL to enforce the rules ON ALL pitchers.
 
Mar 23, 2011
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no wonder the world is a mess. trying to get ahead even if one knows it's against the rules. in one word - integrity.

We are all flawed in this world whether or not we choose to admit it... Gunner stop having your kids leave early, it's incredibly irritating to 50% of the people involved in the game :p.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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My issue with this is she's only good for half the game. The JMU pitcher is good on the mound and at the plate. She should have been player of the year.
 

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