Pitcher's toe drag

FastPitchCat said:

here we go again. You pass a red light, you don't get a ticket. you didn't break any traffic laws?
until the NCAA changes their rules to specifically allow replanting, it is ILLEGAL whether or not the umpires call it.

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Again this is a poor analogy. The closest you could get is if while you were passing the red light a police officer, a local judge, and members of your local legislation were all giving you the thumbs up and giving you driver of the year awards for running the red light.

In addition there is a person on an internet forum screaming that running red lights is illegal. All of the parties involved (police, judge, and members of the local legislation) shrug their shoulders and actually lesson the offense for running a red light to a simple verbal warning.

Corleone said:

You know, I'm a very conservative driver, I drive a pickup and always leave early enough to avoid having to rush. I consistently drive 5 miles over the speed limit and according to you, I break the rules every time I'm on the highway. I've never been pulled over for going 70 in a 65. Does that mean police don't want to call me on it because my truck is nice, or does it mean that it's so insignificant, that no cop is petty enough to take the time to pull me over?

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So you are saying that replanting is insignificant? If so, why doesn't every college pitcher do so?

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GunnerShotgun said:

Again this is a poor analogy. The closet you could get is if while you were passing the red light a police officer, a local judge, and members of your local legislation were all giving you the thumbs up and giving you driver of the year awards for running the red light.

In addition there is a person on an internet forum screaming that running red lights is illegal. All of the parties involved (police, judge, and members of the local legislation) shrug their shoulders and actually lesson the offense for running a red light to a simple verbal warning.

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Tickets are about reveneu, hence red light cams.

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Gtrips07 said:

So you are saying that replanting is insignificant? If so, why doesn't every college pitcher do so?

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I've seen first hand the significance replanting made for a pitcher. She suddenly started throwing 10mph faster and was closer to the batter by about 3 feet. Her team went from C division at the top of their age group to A the next year at the bottom of their age group. She leaps and replants and no one is calling it...

Gtrips07 said:

So you are saying that replanting is insignificant? If so, why doesn't every college pitcher do so?

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This makes little sense. If it's insignificant, that's why they wouldn't do it, because it doesn't help them and they've been taught and trained to toe drag. Knowing the competitive nature of D1 athletics, I just can't see coaches not instructing their pitchers to do it if it was as big an advantage as the steroids some compare it to (considering the fact that umpires are not calling it). NCAA coaches are anything but innocent when it comes to bending the rules for competitive advantages, I've been around NCAA sports, it can get much uglier than toe hops. Google Rick Pitino and Adidas, read a bit on some of the stuff that goes on in other sports.

Also, I can tell you others do pitch illegally. I don't watch a ton of D1 softball but I saw an Ole Miss game on ESPN this year. Caitlyn Lee was taking a hop and replanting, not as drastic as Barnhill, but pretty close. Look up some youtube video's if you don't believe me. It's not just Barnhill that does it, she's just the focus because she happens to be the best pitcher in the country. Now maybe I'm wrong, and the few WCWS games I saw were the anomalies, but I tend to think there's probably plenty others with similar drive mechanics, and the umpires have most definitely been told not to focus on it.

GunnerShotgun said:

Again this is a poor analogy. The closet you could get is if while you were passing the red light a police officer, a local judge, and members of your local legislation were all giving you the thumbs up and giving you driver of the year awards for running the red light.

In addition there is a person on an internet forum screaming that running red lights is illegal. All of the parties involved (police, judge, and members of the local legislation) shrug their shoulders and actually lesson the offense for running a red light to a simple verbal warning.

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I think it is horrible to make such a comparison. Nobody dies from an illegal pitch.

The analogy is to the law vs the rules. Not whether its life or death. Jeez its you replant defenders can come up with anything to defend your case.


There is absolutely a benefit to replanting closer to the plate and changing the way a pitch looks to a batter. If there wasnt, why is there a rule against it? (Besides being visibly obvious).

4 girl's dad said:

If there wasnt, why is there a rule against it? (Besides being visibly obvious).

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They are changing the rule for illegal pitches. Runners will no longer advance one base, it will just be a "ball" awarded to the batter. Rules change all of the time.

But its still a rule. Its still an illegal pitch. The penalty may have changed but its still a rule.

D Up said:

glove side foot...huh?

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Doh! The pitching side foot.

Thanks! I'll fix it.