Two seam fast ball

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Feb 17, 2014
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Assuming you have a RHP with proper IR/BI the fastball will have 1/7 rotation and tail down and in to a RHB. Once my pitchers master this pitch I teach them to throw the pitch with their fingers outside the ball resulting in an 11/5 rotation that will tail down and away from a RHB. This ability is a great foundation for the 2 seam.

Understand that getting the ball to move simply requires proper spin axis and a decent spin rate. How you achieve that proper spin axis and spin rate will differ from pitcher to pitcher. Assuming you have good IR/BI just focus on the axis and rate and you can make the ball do pretty much whatever you want.

While I am at let me make the point that the word pitch is used interchangeably for both technique and result. It is important to know the difference and keep things in context. The announcers on ESPN often state that my DD Jake throws a curve. In the context of technique this is not correct as most would construe this to mean a traditional palm up curve with a 9/3 rotation, etc. Not due to lack of trying she has no ability to throw the pitch. However, in the context they reference which is the result, they are correct in that she has a pitch that moves away from a RHB with great movement. The reason I bring this up is that all too often folks get hung up on the technique and lose sight of the real goal which is the result. Any pitch that you can throw with consistent Command, Movement, and Velocity is a great pitch. How you throw it is up to you.
 
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Nov 16, 2015
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We have 2 objectives on our Monday nigh pitching sessions after the games start. 1. we spend extra time making sure we get loosened up after the weekend. 2. We do spin work, specifically on developing pitches that we dont throw in games yet.

Last night i have 2 of my 2nd year 14's. One throws low 60's and the other is high 50's. the high 50's throws a real heavy ball, just naturally drops. Last night we tried the 2 seam fastball. the smiles and laughs was something special. For both of them the ball was jumping. both girls dads were smiling at the movement and the catchers were just shaking their heads. They had no idea how to control it or where it was going. It was just a very enjoyable night for everyone. its a long ways from being great, but it is definitely a start and both girls want to work on it again.

My own 14 year old throws it. It has kind of become her drop ball. there are times i just laugh at the movement. She likes to throw it to slappers as well as it dives down and away from them
 

osagedr

Canadian Fastpitch Dad
Oct 20, 2016
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DD fools around with a two-seamer...man that thing can dance sometimes. I was tossing to her in BP last week with a little breeze; she was crushing the four-seamer but the two-seamer had her flummoxed sometimes!
 
Jan 28, 2017
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We have a pitcher that picks up with us and throws the two seam fastball. 12U team and she is very good. Her dad is a great guy and good coach, if our pitchers are throwing high he always ask if he can show them the 2 seamer. They always start throwing down in the zone. Our regular pitchers all have the same pitching coach and only throw the 4 seam fastball. My DD has small hands and we have never worked on the 2 seam fastball but wonder if we should.
 

ArmyStrong

Going broke on softball
Sep 14, 2014
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8
Pacific NW
Assuming you have a RHP with proper IR/BI the fastball will have 1/7 rotation and tail down and in to a RHB. Once my pitchers master this pitch I teach them to throw the pitch with their fingers outside the ball resulting in an 11/5 rotation that will tail down and away from a RHB. This ability is a great foundation for the 2 seam.

Understand that getting the ball to move simply requires proper spin axis and a decent spin rate. How you achieve that proper spin axis and spin rate will differ from pitcher to pitcher. Assuming you have good IR/BI just focus on the axis and rate and you can make the ball do pretty much whatever you want.

While I am at let me make the point that the word pitch is used interchangeably for both technique and result. It is important to know the difference and keep things in context. The announcers on ESPN often state that my DD Jake throws a curve. In the context of technique this is not correct as most would construe this to mean a traditional palm up curve with a 9/3 rotation, etc. Not due to lack of trying she has no ability to throw the pitch. However, in the context they reference which is the result, they are correct in that she has a pitch that moves away from a RHB with great movement. The reason I bring this up is that all too often folks get hung up on the technique and lose sight of the real goal which is the result. Any pitch that you can throw with consistent Command, Movement, and Velocity is a great pitch. How you throw it is up to you.

Ok, we tried this yesterday and for the first time, I was actually afraid of the movement and wished I were wearing leg guards. Once DD got the spin going, there was neat break. The problem was that sometimes it would go left, sometimes it would go right. Most of the time it would tail away from a RH batter (curve?) and bite downward a little. And when it went the other way, I wasn't prepared for the outcome and bailed. Time to do more reading on the finger pressure thread...

I'd love to make this pitch her new curve. It's much faster than the traditional palm-up 9/3 she's been throwing.

Thanks for making my time on the bucket more "exciting"

Disclaimer: DD is a 12U pitcher. Nothing she throws is filthy or even high-school level at this time. But put in the right perspective, this is cool to watch at her level IMO.
 
Feb 26, 2017
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Assuming you have a RHP with proper IR/BI the fastball will have 1/7 rotation and tail down and in to a RHB. Once my pitchers master this pitch I teach them to throw the pitch with their fingers outside the ball resulting in an 11/5 rotation that will tail down and away from a RHB. This ability is a great foundation for the 2 seam.

Could you explain what you mean by fingers outside the ball?
 
May 13, 2012
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Rise described my DD to a T with two seamer. She played with palm up curve but two seamer way better. It will tail in on occasion but that's chance as she doesn't have finger pressure under control. It's either flat break or down and away to righty.
 

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