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Adding to Doug's post:
-I like what she does wth her lean as she explodes as well, but think she could get even more if she didn't shift her weight back over the left heel. Keep the weight centered over the front toe.
-I think she could benefit from getting even more lag in the lower arm and getting a little whippier.
-Like Doug suggested, think "drive straight out and square to the target," but allow the body to open as the body extends in stride. That will help the plant foot angle, but it might not hurt to think about pointing at the a target at plant and allow for 45-35.

Also,
-I don't have an issue with seeing/not seeing the ball. As JS, Phil and BM will tell you, I'm a bit of a rebel when it comes to this perspective. This is something I consider an adder. I'm not fond of wall drills and the intent when teaching them... Many top level pitchers take advantage of lagging/loading the ball behind the body and pitching around the hip--I personally like it. For example, watch Ueno and Osterman: both hide the ball behind their bodies and the ball explodes from the hip.

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These were the best I could find. I believe that these two pitchers have found a way to get more load going into whip. If you watch these two from behind, you'd really see it better.

To clarify, if a kid is all wonky with their circle, we work on that. Twenty's kid has a great circle and has decent posture/resistance. Power line and pitching around the body would not be concerns for me.

Ken B said:

Adding to Doug's post:
-I like what she does wth her lean as she explodes as well, but think she could get even more if she didn't shift her weight back over the left heel. Keep the weight centered over the front toe.
-I think she could benefit from getting even more lag in the lower arm and getting a little whippier.
-Like Doug suggested, think "drive straight out and square to the target," but allow the body to open as the body extends in stride. That will help the plant foot angle, but it might not hurt to think about pointing at the a target at plant and allow for 45-35.

Also,
-I don't have an issue with seeing/not seeing the ball. As JS, Phil and BM will tell you, I'm a bit of a rebel when it comes to taking away from a pitcher, something I consider an adder. Not fond of wall drills and the intent when teaching them... Many top level pitchers take advantage of lagging/loading the ball behind the body and pitching around the hip--I personally like it. For example, watch Ueno and Osterman: bothhide the ball behind their bodies and the ball explodes from the hip.

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So Ken am I correct when you say about hiding the ball, or throwing slightly around the body that you feel that is okay. I have as well, but is their point about the power line and where her stride foot is landing in relation to the power line correct? In other words in your opinion should she have a different relationship to the power line, I agree with your point about the planting of the foot and its angle.


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Twenty20ticker said:

So Ken am I correct when you say about hiding the ball, or throwing slightly around the body that you feel that is okay. I have as well, but is their point about the power line and where her stride foot is landing in relation to the power line correct? In other words in your opinion should she have a different relationship to the power line, I agree with your point about the planting of the foot and its angle.

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As long as she is stacked (good posture and resistance at release,) and whips well, I don't really care about a "power line."

Ken B said:

As long as she is stacked (good posture and resistance at release,) and whips well, I don't really care about a "power line."

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Ken, would advocate throwing from a closed position on a rise or a screw?

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chrispots said:

Ken, would advocate throwing from a closed position on a rise or a screw?

CP

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No for both.

Ken B said:

As long as she is stacked (good posture and resistance at release,) and whips well, I don't really care about a "power line."

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That might be your stance and you've probably forgotten more than I know but I would simply agree to disagree. Having different parts of your working at cross purposes and fighting each other just does not seem like the best approach and on the whole Hansen agrees.

A pitcher with good hips/legs (Ueno/Osterman) don't need to abide by the power line. The rest need the power line as a crutch to create better angles.

djcarter1966 said:

That might be your stance and you've probably forgotten more than I know but I would simply agree to disagree. Having different parts of your working at cross purposes and fighting each other just does not seem like the best approach and on the whole Hansen agrees.

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So true on the forgetting part!

I should clarify that I don't talk about a "power line" and although I usually have one marked, I rarely reference it. If a kid is having issues with posture and one of the symptoms is a plant off to one side, I might place a piece of tape on the ground as target in addition to explain what I mean by stacked and how to get there. What I'm saying is that when all else is well, it's a no-teach. Specifically with Twenty's daughter, she has good posture/resistance and the "power line" would not be addressed.

Ken B said:

So true on the forgetting part!

I should clarify that I don't talk about a "power line" and although I usually have one marked, I rarely reference it. If a kid is having issues with posture and one of the symptoms is a plant off to one side, I might place a piece of tape on the ground as target in addition to explain what I mean by stacked and how to get there. What I'm saying is that when all else is well, it's a no-teach. Specifically with Twenty's daughter, she has good posture/resistance and the "power line" would not be addressed.

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So do you think the information in the video I posted was correct. I just don't see a way around (no pun intended) what is being demonstrated. IF you are across the power line you have to compensate and that compensation is not optimal mechanically, that's not to say certain pitchers can't make it work but I would not teach them that way. To your point though I guess you are not really stacked correctly with the right posture if you are across the line? For Twentys DD as I mentioned there is so much going right I would not change much but like you mentioned what harm could come from cuing her to drive "straight" instead of to the side and put down a target piece of tape that would help her do that?

chrispots said:

Ken, would advocate throwing from a closed position on a rise or a screw?

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The more I learn and understand about throwing the Rise correctly,
it seems that resisting rotation and staying as open as possible,
can only help get the correct spin and axis.

To me, the more closed you get, the harder it is to prevent your palm-up, cupped wrist fingers from turning forward at release.
This results in a "bullety" rise.