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shaker1

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Here's a video from yesterday. I feel like dd is not delaying her backswing enough to allow her to really throw against her front side. Kinda throwing through it instead against it. Any thoughs, suggestions will be appreciated
https://youtu.be/plDuEli7XCs

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Dec 5, 2012
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I think she looks great. I would like to see some adduction in her legs, and some hip torque, but otherwise nice job. My biggest problem with this clip is the girl in the on deck circle. She definitely looks like an easy out, for high and in pitches! No transfer, late, bug squisher, and she's casted out.... Lol. 3 pitch K, baby!!!
 
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shaker1

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I think she looks great. I would like to see some adduction in her legs, and some hip torque, but otherwise nice job. My biggest problem with this clip is the girl in the on deck circle. She definitely looks like an easy out, for high and in pitches! No transfer, late, bug squisher, and she's casted out.... Lol. 3 pitch K, baby!!!

Thanks for the response Coach James, now, help me out with adduction in her legs? Care to elaborate?
 
Dec 5, 2012
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We talk about the arms pulling together a lot... However, the legs need to as well. The belly button is the center of the body, and we should adduct into center with arms AND legs once the front leg is down. Laces toward to catcher and knees pulling into center. I say center rather than knee to knee because in order to maintain true resistance we can't come up over, or past front leg. Aka "stay back"
She has a figure 4 finish, this in my opinion will keep the hips too far open and will negate the hip snap. The hip snap is necessary in getting the back hip in position to brush! And as we know, the fastest pitchers in the world have hip snap (torque) and brushing in common. This is the secrete sauce in getting higher speeds.
 

shaker1

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Dec 4, 2014
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We talk about the arms pulling together a lot... However, the legs need to as well. The belly button is the center of the body, and we should adduct into center with arms AND legs once the front leg is down. Laces toward to catcher and knees pulling into center. I say center rather than knee to knee because in order to maintain true resistance we can't come up over, or past front leg. Aka "stay back"
She has a figure 4 finish, this in my opinion will keep the hips too far open and will negate the hip snap. The hip snap is necessary in getting the back hip in position to brush! And as we know, the fastest pitchers in the world have hip snap (torque) and brushing in common. This is the secrete sauce in getting higher speeds.

Hip snap and torque. I got ya. We'll work on that. Thanks
 
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We talk about the arms pulling together a lot... However, the legs need to as well. The belly button is the center of the body, and we should adduct into center with arms AND legs once the front leg is down. Laces toward to catcher and knees pulling into center. I say center rather than knee to knee because in order to maintain true resistance we can't come up over, or past front leg. Aka "stay back"
She has a figure 4 finish, this in my opinion will keep the hips too far open and will negate the hip snap. The hip snap is necessary in getting the back hip in position to brush! And as we know, the fastest pitchers in the world have hip snap (torque) and brushing in common. This is the secrete sauce in getting higher speeds.

Are there any particular drills for improving hip snap?
 

javasource

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May 6, 2013
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If I may add some thoughts here...

You really need to read that document in the link about 20 times. Rick is not advocating that you physically torque your hips... he's advocating that you RESIST IT.

Rotation of the core is all about timing. It happens efficiently with pitchers who get off the plate sooner than later. When their timing is off (where they are in the circle/stride) athletes will compensate by moving unnecessarily... like try and open per se... or try to snap their hips...

Movement is torque... in the joints... purely a biomechanical fact. Think of it this way... imagine a heavy dude on a merry-go-round. He asks you to spin him around. Because of his mass... getting him started is a lot of work... but once moving... it's a lot easier (rotary inertia ). On the flipside... stopping him is really freakin' difficult.

Now... take what you know about kinetic transference of energy... If you want better whip, the larger proximal parts of the body need to slow in order to transfer energy. The hips are part of the core of your body (the largest part). If you wish to accelerate the hand passed them quickly... ask yourself, do you want them moving?

Now... consider one last thing... View the pitching motion as containing three types of movement (forward, rotational, and lateral). If you watch an elite athlete, you will see that their body moves in that order in three distinct phases. They push out (forward) against the ground. They disconnect from it while rotating... and then they RECONNECT to the ground on plant... and then LATERALLY perform.

I do not like the term "hip snap"... because it directly implies a forced movement. What it really is... is resistance to rotary inertia (trying to stop the big dude on the merry-go-round). It's stopping rotation... NOT adding to it. Simply put, "hip snap" can be looked at as the bodies attempt at realignment... during a transitional phase.

The largest issue I see in 99% of pitchers... is that they do not pitch in those three DISTINCT phases. The three phases start to blur together... and when they do, you are inefficient... and fundamental issues arise.

My recommendation would be to scrap the concept of rotary movement... or snapping of the hips... and fully embrace the resistance... or stopping of rotary inertia.

"Hip Snap" is an advanced concept... you would be better served making sure your DD or students have three, properly timed/executed phases to their motion.

Edit:
Oh yeah... adduction of the rear leg SHOULD be more natural than a concerted effort. When it becomes the latter, you introduce unnecessary movement... during a time/phase that screams STABILITY. You'd be better served looking at why forced adduction of the rear leg is even necessary... and fixing that, first. Elite pitchers SLIDE INTO the front side...
 
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shaker1

Softball Junkie
Dec 4, 2014
894
18
On a bucket
If I may add some thoughts here...

You really need to read that document in the link about 20 times. Rick is not advocating that you physically torque your hips... he's advocating that you RESIST IT.

Rotation of the core is all about timing. It happens efficiently with pitchers who get off the plate sooner than later. When their timing is off (where they are in the circle/stride) athletes will compensate by moving unnecessarily... like try and open per se... or try to snap their hips...

Movement is torque... in the joints... purely a biomechanical fact. Think of it this way... imagine a heavy dude on a merry-go-round. He asks you to spin him around. Because of his mass... getting him started is a lot of work... but once moving... it's a lot easier (rotary inertia ). On the flipside... stopping him is really freakin' difficult.

Now... take what you know about kinetic transference of energy... If you want better whip, the larger proximal parts of the body need to slow in order to transfer energy. The hips are part of the core of your body (the largest part). If you wish to accelerate the hand passed them quickly... ask yourself, do you want them moving?

Now... consider one last thing... View the pitching motion as containing three types of movement (forward, rotational, and lateral). If you watch an elite athlete, you will see that their body moves in that order in three distinct phases. They push out (forward) against the ground. They disconnect from it while rotating... and then they RECONNECT to the ground on plant... and then LATERALLY perform.

I do not like the term "hip snap"... because it directly implies a forced movement. What it really is... is resistance to rotary inertia (trying to stop the big dude on the merry-go-round). It's stopping rotation... NOT adding to it. Simply put, "hip snap" can be looked at as the bodies attempt at realignment... during a transitional phase.

The largest issue I see in 99% of pitchers... is that they do not pitch in those three DISTINCT phases. The three phases start to blur together... and when they do, you are inefficient... and fundamental issues arise.

My recommendation would be to scrap the concept of rotary movement... or snapping of the hips... and fully embrace the resistance... or stopping of rotary inertia.

"Hip Snap" is an advanced concept... you would be better served making sure your DD or students have three, properly timed/executed phases to their motion.

Edit:
Oh yeah... adduction of the rear leg SHOULD be more natural than a concerted effort. When it becomes the latter, you introduce unnecessary movement... during a time/phase that screams STABILITY. You'd be better served looking at why forced adduction of the rear leg is even necessary... and fixing that, first. Elite pitchers SLIDE INTO the front side...

Sliding into the front side forces the adduction of the rear leg??
 

javasource

6-4-3 = 2
May 6, 2013
1,347
48
Western NY
Sliding into the front side forces the adduction of the rear leg??

Not exactly what I said, Shaker.

Adduction of the rear leg is a reference to movement, in general. Movement inward. Simply put, if I stood with my arms out from my side and let gravity take them... they would adduct to my side.

What is a stride forward? If I send my entire body out forward... that turns into forward inertia... which we all agree needs to be resisted backwards on stride plant. So... when that happens... is our rear leg going to hang back? Or would it logically take the path of established movement forward? Add resistance... and shouldn't the rear legs path forward be assisted? If it's not... is simply pulling it in the solution... or should we open our minds to the possibility that something that ought to be addressed is preventing it from doing so?

Edit:

Admittedly, I had not watched the video... I was simply responding to the "hip snap" and leg adduction recommendations....

After watching, I would disagree with these recommendations of focus.

Watch the frame at 9... against the next frame. To me, that's resisted "hip snap". Very nice job in controlling/limiting rotation on acceptance of weight.

Look at her release posture... her legs are in great position... and more importantly, her body has stabilized.

Chloe's issue in this video has less to do with mechanical form... and more to do with urgency.

Wish I could work with this kid... reminds me a lot of my Chloé...

No offense... but she's taking it easy. Her frontside timing is off a little but I really suspect that has more to do with being conservative than anything else. Game mode looks a little cautious...

John's Adduction video...

She looks tentative to compete... might want to ask herself why she is holding back.

If I were to work with you guys... it would be about creating ballistic output. Taking her body and athleticism to the next level... in pitching and conditioning.

Great form... needs to really turn it up... while maintaining all the form you've worked hard to create.
 
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