The Kelly Barnhill Thread

[Chuckaducky]

What about the batter(s) with a juiced up bat? The ump or ump(s) know the bats are juiced. Do you juice up your girl(s) bats to put them level on the field or do you keep playing within the rules? I can't lay my head down at night knowing I let my DD or any other DD use a juiced up bat. Same analogy. Just because Suzy Q and team X is swinging for the fences doesn't mean we will...Don't care if we lose. "It ain't about the X's and the O's, it's about the Willie's and the Joe's" You want to raise cheaters and you can sleep at night, more power to ya. I can't.

 

[obbay]

the discussion of IPs and rules invariably comes down to character. do you do the right thing when no one is looking or do you do whatever you can get away with.

 

[Greenmonsters]

the discussion of IPs and rules invariably comes down to character. do you do the right thing when no one is looking or do you do whatever you can get away with.

Respect yourself and respect the game.

 

[Rocketech1]

What about the batter(s) with a juiced up bat?

I do see a difference from actively altering the bat (e.g. bat rolling) and hiding it from umpires. Same with PED use and using masking agents (e.g the "clear"). If someone is leaping, there is no hiding it, its right there for the umpire to call it and if they chose not to, then its more of an umpire issue than compliance.

IPs is a complicated issue for a variety of reasons. Some say its a "mechanical flaw", not a "natural movement", never enforced (or PU's instructed not to call it), arbitrary rules "can leap level of ground if hole in from of plate", poor instruction (especially at the lower levels of play), elite pitchers have set a precedent of leaping and never called for it, the penalty for IP is too harsh (resulting in lack of enforcement), leaping ok internationally and in the men's game, etc..

I think a lot of illegal pitching is more unintentional (especially younger pitchers) and not actively cheating. You cannot say the same for bat altering and PED use.

 

[Easton33]

I think a lot of illegal pitching is more unintentional (especially younger pitchers) and not actively cheating. You cannot say the same for bat altering and PED use.

Dmystified made it a point that these players were being taught this... I agree bad mechanics usually lead to this and I would not classify as cheating but when a player, pitching coach, or parent teach a player specifically to break a certain rule because it isn't getting called regularly, that's cheating and directly compares to bat altering.

 

[Rocketech1]

Dmystified made it a point that these players were being taught this... I agree bad mechanics usually lead to this and I would not classify as cheating but when a player, pitching coach, or parent teach a player specifically to break a certain rule because it isn't getting called regularly, that's cheating and directly compares to bat altering.

I generally agree with the above. I will say I don't think too many pitching coaches (if any) actively teach to leap and replant as a bona fide technique. However, there are so many poor instructors trying to make a quick buck that when they only have 30mins a week with a student, they are not spending a lot of time on drag mechanics and it's really left up to the student/parents to educate themselves on proper mechanics. They are not trying to cheat, they just don't know what they don't know and since no umpire is calling an IP they think they are pitching properly. Again, a complex issue.

Bat altering is different. These are adults who are purposely altering a piece of equipment beyond the legal specifications, hiding the alterations, and probably getting paid to do it even though they are not using the bat themselves. They may even be subject to civil liability if a player gets injured by an altered bat.

 

[riseball]

Dmystified made it a point that these players were being taught this... I agree bad mechanics usually lead to this and I would not classify as cheating but when a player, pitching coach, or parent teach a player specifically to break a certain rule because it isn't getting called regularly, that's cheating and directly compares to bat altering.

It has been taught for 8 - 10 years in California! Has to be true, just ask Google!

 

[Chuckaducky]

This guy/gal saying this is being taught...hmmmm...I thought He Who Shall Not Be Named got banned a looong time ago? Dude made a new profile? And Riseball...yah!! Just ask Google it NEVER lies!! BTW: The Kid is now pausing intentionally between pitches. She says it helps her clear her mind! I'm just waiting to see how many coaches lose theirs when she does it!!


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[GunnerShotgun]

So not only are they not cracking down on illegal pitching as predicted the NCAA is lessening the penalty (base runners no longer advance on an illegal pitch).

https://sup.arbitersports.com/Groups/104484/Library/files/2018_2019_WSB_Rules_Changes_20170817.pdf

 

[Greenmonsters]

So not only are they not cracking down on illegal pitching as predicted the NCAA is lessening the penalty (base runners no longer advance on an illegal pitch).

https://sup.arbitersports.com/Groups/104484/Library/files/2018_2019_WSB_Rules_Changes_20170817.pdf

Actually, lessening the penalty for an IP may very well promote strict enforcement. We shall see.