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Sep 7, 2015
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Hey guys,

So i changed teams and my DD is play in her second full year of 14U but on a 14B team, the team played up the previous year.

She is not the best pitcher on the team but she is working hard to be the best. I have called her pitches for the last few season, but this season her new coach is calling her pitches. I had a long discussion with him about my thoughts on pitch calling and he disagreed 100% on most of my items. So I want to put them out here and see if I am on a team where I could be hurting my dd.


1) I believe that the first time though the lineup, there is no need to use all 4-5 pitches a girl has for numerous reasons.... 1) No girl is as good with #4 as she is #1. 2) I feel it is hard for a young pitcher to get in the groove, if she cant through a single pitch consistently.

2) He complained that my DD couldn't hit a screwball to the 4 location. (my DD is right handed) and our 4 location is down and away to a righty). I told him that there is absolutely no reason for my DD to throw the screw to the 4. To start with my daughter likes to pitch from as far to the right side of the rubber as possible and for her to throw a good screw to the 4 the ball would have to be able to break so hard to fall in for a strike, its almost a joke. I believe in a backdoor curve, to jam a batter, but I do not think there is any logic to throw the screw to the 4 location. He also told me that is his favorite place to throw the screw?????

3) After observing numerous walks, I approached him and asked why he was throwing so many changeups, with 3 balls and 0 strikes (NOTE I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT 3-0 counts).. I said this as so many pitches seemed to hit the dirt before the plate. He then told me that he likes to throw a curve or screw to the 5 position (dead middle) . I then asked why not just a fastball to get a strike?? He said that if the girls cant throw a curve or screw consistently to the 5 position than they do not deserve to pitch in 14U. When he said this I almost fell out of my chair.... Most likely the kids have 3 balls because one of their specialty pitches are not working to start?

Maybe I am thinking to elementary, but when I called pitches, not only did I study every pitcher and all of their pitches before the game to know what was working and what wasn't , but I also almost always started with just a fastball and location for the first batter or two if I could so my pitcher could get in a rhythm. Maybe I would go to a 2nd pitch screw or change, but wouldn't use more than 1 or 2 pitch's, until they could throw a consistant fastball.


Please everyone let me know if I am off base here or what your thoughts are?

Seth
 
Jun 27, 2011
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North Carolina
So i changed teams ...

So I want to put them out here and see if I am on a team where I could be hurting my dd.

I don't know pitching well enough to comment on your pitching philosophy. I'm sure you have some valid points.

But my guess is that you're going to have a very difficult time watching your DD pitch unless you are calling the pitches, whether DD stays with this team or looks for another one. When you say ''I'' changed teams instead of ''my daughter'' changed teams, it suggests that you are going to have trouble giving up the role you once had.
 
Sep 7, 2015
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I don't know pitching well enough to comment on your pitching philosophy. I'm sure you have some valid points.

But my guess is that you're going to have a very difficult time watching your DD pitch unless you are calling the pitches, whether DD stays with this team or looks for another one. When you say ''I'' changed teams instead of ''my daughter'' changed teams, it suggests that you are going to have trouble giving up the role you once had.

Very valid points, I put I because I am a coach and did switch. I did call pitches and don't here. Based on the fact that the current coach has always called pitches, didn't come into here expecting to call pitches. This is kinda of a mix of both a coach and a daughter question. I am fine with other people calling her pitches, middle school guest play never been an issue. I actually didn't have a problem with this coach calling her pitches either until he explained his philosophy. I think it is wrong in genera and not only would hurt my DD, but every pitcher on the team. In fact his daughter is our best pitcher and think he is hurting her also.
 
Jun 27, 2011
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North Carolina
Good explanation. I'm not a pitcher's dad, but I can imagine it will be frustrating if there is this much disagreement between you and the HC. I'll let the pitching experts weigh in on the rest.
 
Feb 7, 2013
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I am in the same situation and all I can say is you educate your DD and let HER do the communicating with her head coach. Time to let her fly out of the nest, and for dad to get a comfortable chair in right field.

Just wanted to add that I'm not sure most head coaches know a screwball from a drop ball so you might have DD throw her pitch but to the coaches location. He likely won't know the difference as long as she is effective. For example, DDs HC mentioned to me he doesn't like calling an inside riseball and prefers a high fastball. I told DD to go ahead and throw the riseball and see what happens. If she is effective, the HC won't be any wiser. The only issue is the change up. If he calls a changeup you pretty much need to throw that pitch. Anything else and your DD has some discretion.
 
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Apr 5, 2009
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NE Kansas
He's an idiot in my book. You're wasting your daughters time. Tell him your daughter just doesn't have what it takes to pitch for him yet. Politely thank him and go find another team.
 
Sep 7, 2015
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Ok thanks guys two things I am not looking to cause issues. I received some advice from another coach to have her ignore his pitches and do her own thing but that is bad advice and won't give it. I really just want credible information that I can return to him and try to have him change. I also am not going to jump ship just cause of this yet, cause even with these issues she is pitching well and the team is winning.

Thanks guys
 
Feb 20, 2012
263
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Hey guys,

So i changed teams and my DD is play in her second full year of 14U but on a 14B team, the team played up the previous year.

She is not the best pitcher on the team but she is working hard to be the best. I have called her pitches for the last few season, but this season her new coach is calling her pitches. I had a long discussion with him about my thoughts on pitch calling and he disagreed 100% on most of my items. So I want to put them out here and see if I am on a team where I could be hurting my dd.


1) I believe that the first time though the lineup, there is no need to use all 4-5 pitches a girl has for numerous reasons.... 1) No girl is as good with #4 as she is #1. 2) I feel it is hard for a young pitcher to get in the groove, if she cant through a single pitch consistently.

2) He complained that my DD couldn't hit a screwball to the 4 location. (my DD is right handed) and our 4 location is down and away to a righty). I told him that there is absolutely no reason for my DD to throw the screw to the 4. To start with my daughter likes to pitch from as far to the right side of the rubber as possible and for her to throw a good screw to the 4 the ball would have to be able to break so hard to fall in for a strike, its almost a joke. I believe in a backdoor curve, to jam a batter, but I do not think there is any logic to throw the screw to the 4 location. He also told me that is his favorite place to throw the screw?????

3) After observing numerous walks, I approached him and asked why he was throwing so many changeups, with 3 balls and 0 strikes (NOTE I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT 3-0 counts).. I said this as so many pitches seemed to hit the dirt before the plate. He then told me that he likes to throw a curve or screw to the 5 position (dead middle) . I then asked why not just a fastball to get a strike?? He said that if the girls cant throw a curve or screw consistently to the 5 position than they do not deserve to pitch in 14U. When he said this I almost fell out of my chair.... Most likely the kids have 3 balls because one of their specialty pitches are not working to start?

Maybe I am thinking to elementary, but when I called pitches, not only did I study every pitcher and all of their pitches before the game to know what was working and what wasn't , but I also almost always started with just a fastball and location for the first batter or two if I could so my pitcher could get in a rhythm. Maybe I would go to a 2nd pitch screw or change, but wouldn't use more than 1 or 2 pitch's, until they could throw a consistant fastball.


Please everyone let me know if I am off base here or what your thoughts are?

Seth

There really isn't any pitches to call. I don't believe the coach is right about throwing screw, curve to get ahead of the count.
In pitching 101 1st rule throw the first pitch for a strike usually a fastball at the knees 2nd stay ahead of the count. Then throw them junk and if they don't go for it go back to the best pitch at the batter's weakness. It does not matter if you are right or not the coach makes the calls so you need to find a coach that thinks like you do. When your DD gets old enough then she should be able to figure the strategy out all on her own.
Where are you from?
 
Oct 11, 2010
8,337
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Chicago, IL
13 or 14 year old should be figuring out herself. Maybe see if they will let the C call the game, that will give you both a little control.
 
Jun 17, 2009
15,037
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Portland, OR
Ok thanks guys two things I am not looking to cause issues. I received some advice from another coach to have her ignore his pitches and do her own thing but that is bad advice and won't give it. I really just want credible information that I can return to him and try to have him change. I also am not going to jump ship just cause of this yet, cause even with these issues she is pitching well and the team is winning.

Thanks guys

Fair enough.

Let's go through your concerns.

1) I believe that the first time though the lineup, there is no need to use all 4-5 pitches a girl has for numerous reasons.... 1) No girl is as good with #4 as she is #1. 2) I feel it is hard for a young pitcher to get in the groove, if she cant through a single pitch consistently.

It would seem that a more complete pre-game warm-up may get you through this hurdle. Consider simulating a few innings before completing the pre-game warm-up.


2) He complained that my DD couldn't hit a screwball to the 4 location. (my DD is right handed) and our 4 location is down and away to a righty). I told him that there is absolutely no reason for my DD to throw the screw to the 4. To start with my daughter likes to pitch from as far to the right side of the rubber as possible and for her to throw a good screw to the 4 the ball would have to be able to break so hard to fall in for a strike, its almost a joke. I believe in a backdoor curve, to jam a batter, but I do not think there is any logic to throw the screw to the 4 location. He also told me that is his favorite place to throw the screw?????

Throwing a screwball ‘away’ isn’t going fly.

You can either explain to the HC the realities of a screwball … or simply have your daughter node her head and throw a FB or dropball instead. The coach won't know the difference.


3) After observing numerous walks, I approached him and asked why he was throwing so many changeups, with 3 balls and 0 strikes (NOTE I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT 3-0 counts).. I said this as so many pitches seemed to hit the dirt before the plate. He then told me that he likes to throw a curve or screw to the 5 position (dead middle) . I then asked why not just a fastball to get a strike?? He said that if the girls cant throw a curve or screw consistently to the 5 position than they do not deserve to pitch in 14U. When he said this I almost fell out of my chair.... Most likely the kids have 3 balls because one of their specialty pitches are not working to start?

I wasn’t there to hear the discussion … it is possible that the coach is trying to stress that control is important for pitches such as a curveball and screwball … and if that’s what he meant, then he’s correct. I can't agree with throwing the ball DTM ... but you're talking B-level ball, and such logic comes with the territory.

Choices are simple … you can try to explain your philosophy, which it appears that you have … alternatively, you can have your daughter nod her head and throw a FB or dropball instead. Doubtful that this coach will know the difference between a FB/dropball down the middle and a screwball down the middle.


Bottom-line here … master control. You master control with what you do with the fingers and wrist. Don’t let the coach get to you. Control wins … fooling around with throwing pitches DTM might be fine at 14B, but it won’t have your daughter in the circle at the higher levels for very long. Master control and you shouldn't find a pitch caller giving signs for throwing the pitch dead red. Master control and you can get away from B-ball permanently.
 

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