Turnover drop?

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JJsqueeze

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Absolutely clueless.

The hand is torquing over the ball at release. The "post hand gyration" is the natural follow through from the movement of the arm and wrist.

By telling a pitcher to emulate the follow through, the pitcher is able to better mimic the proper mechanics prior and during release.

Spot on...the release mechanism may still be 90% peel action but those "post release hand gyrations" get started before release and help a pitcher DIFFERENTIATE between that FB with a little drop spin that might be a little off axis and Drop that is squared up consistently with a nice 12-6 spin and is spinning faster because the hand was 1/4 inch more rotated behind the ball.

All of these pitches exist on a continuum, getting a pitcher to feel the very slight differences between them is the challenge so they can throw them consistently.

I liken the logic to the logic behind following through on a swing or running through first base. Sure the bat has left the ball at follow through but if you don't follow through then you must have been decelerating BEFORE contact, same with stopping at first base. That snapover wrist gyration on a drop got started before release, even if it is only completed after the ball is gone, IT STILL HELPED GET THE HAND IN THE RIGHT POSITION to throw the pitch with greater spin and a better axis.
 
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Don’t let folks pull the wool over your eyes.

What you see here …..

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Is what is being instructed here …..




And it doesn’t require the miscellaneous post release hand gyrations that your daughter was engaging in.

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Focus on what is being instructed in the above video .... not the miscellaneous post release hand gyrations.
 
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! This has been great. She loves the drop ball because most hits that occur are ground ball outs.
 

JJsqueeze

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Don’t let folks pull the wool over your eyes.

What you see here …..

xo3779.gif



Is what is being instructed here …..




And it doesn’t require the miscellaneous post release hand gyrations that your daughter was engaging in.

2w4hg7b.gif


Focus on what is being instructed in the above video .... not the miscellaneous post release hand gyrations.


Holy cow FFS- Do you not realize that what you are calling post release hand gyrations in the clip above is just the IR whip follow through? I could post 1000 GIFs of the same look at follow through. Also, in my DDs lessons with Mr. Balswick, he specifically demonstrated a snap over type release for a drop with a big emphasis on the thumb being forward at release and this led to a different post release hand position than other pitches. And in any case, no one is telling him to focus on anything post release, the post release hand action is just a byproduct of upstream actions.

You are dangerous in the hitting forums but are downright lethal over here.
 
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Jun 17, 2009
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! This has been great. She loves the drop ball because most hits that occur are ground ball outs.

Another myth.

Just wait until she faces good hitting.

Take note of where Slugger's daughter is looking after the dropball she pitched.

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It is true that against bad hitting that you will collect a fair number of ground balls with dropballs ...... but your daughter is working with the goal of not always facing inferior hitters.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Holy cow FFS- Do you not realize that what you are calling post release hand gyrations in the clip above is just the IR whip follow through? I could post 1000 GIFs of the same look at follow through. Also, in my DDs lessons with Mr. Balswick, he specifically demonstrated a snap over type release for a drop with a big emphasis on the thumb being forward at release.

You are dangerous in the hitting forums but are downright lethal over here.

Bold above ..... you are repeating what I have been asserting.
 
May 12, 2014
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Five Frame....I've seen multiple videos on drop ball pitches that say you can get a ton of ground ball outs. Doesn't mean a few batters won't catch a few deep....that's not true?
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Five Frame....I've seen multiple videos on drop ball pitches that say you can get a ton of ground ball outs. Doesn't mean a few batters won't catch a few deep....that's not true?

Sure ... you'll even hear color commentators speak of keeping the ball low, to keep the ball in the park .... sometimes they say this just before a dropball is deposited over the fence.

Think about it ..... a dropball will induce the greatest diagonal angle on the barrel .... which has the potential to result in plenty of lift.
 
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I liken the logic to the logic behind following through on a swing or running through first base. Sure the bat has left the ball at follow through but if you don't follow through then you must have been decelerating BEFORE contact, same with stopping at first base. That snapover wrist gyration on a drop got started before release, even if it is only completed after the ball is gone, IT STILL HELPED GET THE HAND IN THE RIGHT POSITION to throw the pitch with greater spin and a better axis.

How is the "snapover wrist gyration" different from a peel drop with IR? My DD is convinced she is throwing a peel drop but sometimes she is asked because her hand flops over if she is throwing a turnover. Video below ... first pitch rise and second one is the drop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3xuqzVRlTc&feature=youtu.be
 

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