Theoretical Crow-hop advantage

Rocketech1 said:

"Hitch in the arm circle causes a crow hop" is another pitching fallacy that gets rehashed over and over again that it becomes gospel. The arm circle has nothing to do with a crow hop. For example, the men all crow hop, do you see a hitch in their arm circle? How about Cat Osterman, Ally Carda, etc. they all have very smooth arm circles. Let's put to rest that somehow the arm circle is what is causing all of these crow hops and replants.

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I disagree. I see it in the men, more importantly, I feel it when I pitch with a crow hop. Cat doesn't crow hop so that is moot, she leaps. I can't comment on Carda.

JJsqueeze said:

Check high speed video and measure the number of frames in the arm circle. The first 270 on Cat Osterman and your DD will be nearly identical but Cat will blow her away the last 90.

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Yep??? Maybe... But we aren't privy to Cat @ 13.... nor will her movement blow my DD away NOW... Really don't think Cats is within 6" of her E-W pitches... JMHO and video analysis...

EP: 270 mark... Do you have the 600fps too??? or just the 300fps ???

TMoney said:

Definitely puts the pitcher closer, but almost every crow hop I have seen is caused by a stop or delay in the rotation of the arm. I would suggest that this would negate any benefit of being closer. The arm pausing at the top of the circle would cause a reduction of arm speed. Just my 2 cents.

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It certainly does give that particular pitcher an advantage of improvement. If she restarts and finishes her arm circle at the original landing point she would be less effective then when she replants and pushes to a new landing point. Its not about is she more effective then the other pitchers, its is she more effective then her legal self. I say yes.

chinamigarden said:

It certainly does give that particular pitcher an advantage of improvement. If she restarts and finishes her arm circle at the original landing point she would be less effective then when she replants and pushes to a new landing point. Its not about is she more effective then the other pitchers, its is she more effective then her legal self. I say yes.

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I like the pathology

Perfect Circle said:

Yep??? Maybe... But we aren't privy to Cat @ 13.... nor will her movement blow my DD away NOW... Really don't think Cats is within 6" of her E-W pitches... JMHO and video analysis...

EP: 270 mark... Do you have the 600fps too??? or just the 300fps ???

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Did you just say your DD has better movement than Cat?

And check video of Cat now not at 13. The point was that a 12 year old and a world class pitcher both have the same circle speed until it counts.

JJsqueeze said:

Did you just say your DD has better movement than Cat?

And check video of Cat now not at 13. The point was that a 12 year old and a world class pitcher both have the same circle speed until it counts.

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yea I kinda got the same impression by the comment ...
Helping your DD grow is understanding exactly where she is actually at ...
This is true for all bucket dads

JJsqueeze said:

Did you just say your DD has better movement than Cat?

And check video of Cat now not at 13. The point was that a 12 year old and a world class pitcher both have the same circle speed until it counts.

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Better???? I'm sayin more math on her movement... more measureable arch... ect. than the 31yr old Cat. Not that she couldn't do the same, but that she knows exactly how much is needed, and invest the rest to the speed needed against the best in the World. DD doesn't have that burden. She is just up against girls who have never seen anything like that before. (See Signature)

I was tryin to say ( I can't find any video of her pitching @ 13) Probably same reason we can't find video of DD's & students of posters on here ???

Not sure I can bye the same for all... Have to remember Cranks DD with the bat speed.... I think it falls in to the enthusiasm ???

EP: Just remembered the girl pitching yesterday that brings her glove clear to the ground as a pre-motion...

Out in Left Field said:

If this is all about baseball count me out.

And I am not going against BH when he says the hitch (read: Pause, slowness or delay) causes the crow hop. Fix the circle (speed it up) and the crow hop goes, no matter if arm speed matters or not to the velocity.

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You are is-tuit to resources...this time anyhow...

I personally believe the hitch in the arm circle is the effect of the crow hop not the cause I believe pitchers with a crow hop fis there timing with the hitch in the arm because they do not know how to get rid of the crow hop JMHO

dmaeganx2 said:

I personally believe the hitch in the arm circle is the effect of the crow hop not the cause I believe pitchers with a crow hop fis there timing with the hitch in the arm because they do not know how to get rid of the crow hop JMHO

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I think it is because they don't bring the ball-in-glove together, pointed towards the target as far as they can. (parroted)

I think it's because their handlers are lame. I think it because they don't work @ it hard enough....ect