Hip Bruising Due to Elbow "Plant"

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Oct 10, 2012
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Oklahoma
I'll put my 2 cents into this situation. I've never used the words "plant the elbow into the side".......Nor would I.........

I've said this before.........And I'll repeat it here again........

The Humerus stops BECAUSE the energy is SUCKED OUT OF IT by the forearm/wrist internally rotating...........

If you complete a circle with the arm........and then THROW THE BALL with the forearm/wrist INternally rotating, the humerus WILL DECELERATE/BECOME STABLE ON IT'S OWN.......

In ANY/ALL of my drills..........There is VERY LITTLE "brush interference"..........I'm NOT using my arm to slam/plant into any part of my body to STOP my humerus.........

My upper arm stops because my lower arm TAKES the energy developed and uses it to propel the ball.........

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Are you saying that the elbow never makes contact with the hip/side?
 
Feb 3, 2010
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Pac NW
Are you saying that the elbow never makes contact with the hip/side?
Contact shouldn't be the focus. It happens when everything else is in place. She has so many good things in place that I'm wondering if contact was emphasized at some point?
 
Oct 10, 2012
502
16
Oklahoma
Contact shouldn't be the focus. It happens when everything else is in place. She has so many good things in place that I'm wondering if contact was emphasized at some point?

Yes Ken, i have told her to pull her elbow in and allow the arm to whip. Apparently that is the wrong thing to say.
 
Jul 17, 2012
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If you ask me, the problem is that she's striding too far. That's causing the lockout of the plant leg, and contributing to her lack of strength to control her hips and torso. I never got the concept of trying to force a longer stride. That will come with size and strength. She's out striding her physical capabilities. She should continue to drive hard, but she needs to get the foot planted a bit closer to allow her to land with a bit of flexion in the plant leg knee.
 
Sep 10, 2013
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I'll put my 2 cents into this situation. I've never used the words "plant the elbow into the side".......Nor would I.........

I've said this before.........And I'll repeat it here again........

The Humerus stops BECAUSE the energy is SUCKED OUT OF IT by the forearm/wrist internally rotating...........

If you complete a circle with the arm........and then THROW THE BALL with the forearm/wrist INternally rotating, the humerus WILL DECELERATE/BECOME STABLE ON IT'S OWN.......

In ANY/ALL of my drills..........There is VERY LITTLE "brush interference"..........I'm NOT using my arm to slam/plant into any part of my body to STOP my humerus.........

My upper arm stops because my lower arm TAKES the energy developed and uses it to propel the ball.........

35clq41.gif

interesting note: DD's PC also asked her to get the elbow CLOSE to the hip, but never touching it. why does it need to touch? contact will eventually hurt the elbow or hip or both and will slow the pitch down.

No contact. just get it close.
 
May 30, 2013
1,442
83
Binghamton, NY
Hello all, while pitching the other night my DD tells me she must be "planting" too hard because her hip was hurting a little bit....just above and behind the bony spot.

as has already been suggested,
rather than thinking about elbow contact (or "planting" as she calls it)
it might be beneficial to think more about making *light* contact with the tricep area with the front-edge of ribs cage, or pectoral muscle.

Sounds like her current mind-set is that she needs to jam her elbow to her side and "lock it in" (to use an I/R terminology)?

Overall, she is impressive, I think.
Pretty hard to read the comments that break her down so severely, in general.
She's what? 10, 11 years old?
I'd say she looks pretty dang good.
Sure, there's always aspects to work on, but she's not nearly a "start over" candidate!

Seems like learning a "full whip" for young pitchers is a hard hurdle to clear?
I notice in this clip, vid of my own 10U DD and others, that they always seem like they could get better hand/ball lag flowing in to the release zone. Most young pitchers I see who are working on IR mechanics seem unable to hold that palm-up position much past 10:00 or 9:00 and also the looseness/elbow bend seems to tighten-up a little, too.

Amateur Statement:
So, upper arm IR is happening a little early, and some of the "overlap" of upper arm rotation coupled with lower arm rotation is lost?
To me, it looks like your DD has completed a good portion of Upper arm IR before she makes that elbow contact w her side? Like, perhaps she is using the side contact w elbow to time her release? When I believe upper arm contact should slightly *precede* lower arm IR and release. And "Brush Interference" relates to lower arm contact, which occurs *at* release?
 
Oct 10, 2012
502
16
Oklahoma
as has already been suggested,
rather than thinking about elbow contact (or "planting" as she calls it)
it might be beneficial to think more about making *light* contact with the tricep area with the front-edge of ribs cage, or pectoral muscle.

Sounds like her current mind-set is that she needs to jam her elbow to her side and "lock it in" (to use an I/R terminology)?

Overall, she is impressive, I think.
Pretty hard to read the comments that break her down so severely, in general.
She's what? 10, 11 years old?
I'd say she looks pretty dang good.
Sure, there's always aspects to work on, but she's not nearly a "start over" candidate!

Seems like learning a "full whip" for young pitchers is a hard hurdle to clear?
I notice in this clip, vid of my own 10U DD and others, that they always seem like they could get better hand/ball lag flowing in to the release zone. Most young pitchers I see who are working on IR mechanics seem unable to hold that palm-up position much past 10:00 or 9:00 and also the looseness/elbow bend seems to tighten-up a little, too.

Amateur Statement:
So, upper arm IR is happening a little early, and some of the "overlap" of upper arm rotation coupled with lower arm rotation is lost?
To me, it looks like your DD has completed a good portion of Upper arm IR before she makes that elbow contact w her side? Like, perhaps she is using the side contact w elbow to time her release? When I believe upper arm contact should slightly *precede* lower arm IR and release. And "Brush Interference" relates to lower arm contact, which occurs *at* release?

Good explanation. Thank you.
 
Jul 14, 2008
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Are you saying that the elbow never makes contact with the hip/side?

Boomer, I'm not saying my elbow doesn't make ANY contact. I'm saying that there is no focus on "elbow planting".........Lead with the elbow and throw with the forearm/wrist using I/R...........
 

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