Elite level pitcher that doesnt use I/R? Definately not I/R. BM please explain? Lol!

Nope. The finish looks all HE, but the pitches are not. Again, you're looking at the finish. HE pitching is not limited to the finish. It's marked by the sharp snap of the wrist upward, and very little to no i/r in the last 1/4 of the circle, PRIOR TO RELEASE!!!

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Nope. The finish looks all HE, but the pitches are not. Again, you're looking at the finish. HE pitching is not limited to the finish. It's marked by the sharp snap of the wrist upward, and very little to no i/r in the last 1/4 of the circle, PRIOR TO RELEASE!!!

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got ya! i cant see any of that. lol! she also does the double arm swing..no denying that? why is that bad...most coaches say you dont wanna teach what finch does?

Gascoine, Mowatt and others have used it successfully. Regardless of showing the grip, I like the feel of the single pump. Ask your daughter(s) to try both. I teach the double armswing to brand new kids to help them feel how to use the arms. Once they get whip and drive figured out, I have them try the three different starts. Almost all of them like the feel of the single arm swing or glove shove (I actually can't think of any double arm swingers, but I'm sure there's 1-2.)

Those are good questions, Left Hook.

First off, let me apologize if those posts came off in the wrong way... that was not my intention. What might make it clearer... and seem less harsh... is the position of the bicep at 9 o'clock AND immediately after release. At 9, the bicep is pointing directly at 2nd, sometimes at shortstop (AWAY from the body)... Immediately after release, the bicep is pointing towards the catcher. In the world of i/r mechanics, HE has the bicep pointing down towards the ground (INWARD) at 9, and towards home at release... meaning it never rotates in the last 1/4. Many i/r pitchers... Galati, Nelson, Finch, etc... will appear to not rotate the bicep because of their release... but if you look at the last 1/4 - you'll see they all do it.

Look... some get mad when someone says i/r around here... and to each their own... BUT no matter what you call it... at the end of the day, it IS what many, many instructors have tried to put into words and print when describing the ever-elusive ARM WHIP. I/R = ARM WHIP.

The double arm pump is fine in my book. So is every other wind-up. Wind-ups, IMO, are something that can negatively influence a pitch. They all get a bad rep because many teach pitching the way they watch it... MEANING: Start lessons with a wind-up, because it's the first thing a pitcher does. Wind-ups should be the last thing you introduce to a beginning picher... which is why many good instructors teach mechanics backwards, starting at the release phase... and eventually working their way to the pre-motion... you know what I mean? In reverse...

Honestly, after students start throwing with i/r, I show them how they walk. Arms and legs swinging opposite of one another. Then I have them do walkthroughs with this motion... That's it. Once they get to the point where they have control of their drive, and timing, and solid i/r mechanics... they can do whatever wind-up and follow through they want. They'll go through a few - as they'll realize that for THEM, certain wind-ups negate or negatively influence THEIR pitches. When they do, they change it. IMO, wind-ups get way too much attention. The goal off the plate is to go forward. Walking and running are the most natural FORWARD human motions... so IMO, it only makes sense that their wind-up incorporates that concept.

I can't speak for other people, but I teach what Finch does... I think she's freakin' awesome. I also teach what Osterman, Nelson, Mowatt, Luna, Pauly, Escobedo, Renfroe, Rogers, Traina, Arevalo, Henderson, Ricketts, Fujiwara, Abbott, Ueno, Galati, Plourde, Lawrie, Amanda S., Smith, Fernandez, etc.. do - but not necessarily what they say. Hell, add in Feigner, Hillhouse, and all the other greats I'm forgetting... Each have different physical traits... but they all share some incredibly similar attributes... and that's what i/r is all about.

Cheers!

No ... not at all. Alls good

javasource said:

I also teach what Mowatt does - but not necessarily....
Cheers!

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I think that's when the planes did their flyover... lol Turd.

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Hey now!!! That used to be my home state... don't be criticizing Lawrie, she's one of my favs!

If you put a picture of Luna and Abbott up next... it's go time, KEN!!! I might have to post a pic of you sitting sidesaddle on a bucket...

Still is my home state and she's one of my all-time favorites! You'll never catch me criticizing Lawrie... at least not to her face! One of the best game-faces in softball. Mowatt is another all-time favorite.