16 year old pitcher -- back injury -- need advice!

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Dec 7, 2011
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Let me repeat what should be GOSPEL in every back-pain diagnosis process:

Rule out a broken bone (stress fracture) in the back BEFORE you have a PT or Chiro start treating the area like a muscle imbalance.

Imagine the feeling you MIGHT have by hiring somebody to "adjust" a broken bone element on your child's spine. TRUST ME,... you do NOT want to be the parent that helped put your child through re-breaks due to "adjustments" and ignorance of the potential true culprit!!

Chiropractors, family doctors, and local PT houses do not see enough pitchers/football linemen/gymnasts to have stress fracture in the front of their minds to get the diagnosis right. They see a million weekend warrior injuries (muscle issues) per every sporto that torques the crap out of their back with millions of torso-torque events.

Again - an xray will NOT rule out stress fractures. MRI's and C-Scan's do this job.
 
Nov 1, 2013
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Good strength coach. My dd's has been working on balancing her out for 2 years now, due to pitching. She also loves her brothers hang ups inversion board.
 
Jun 13, 2009
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Bill

You always say you dont get on ...yet you get on. If someone says your name you are all over it. So obviously you check quiet frequently. Not sure what the problem is. Is dfp you jerry springer? Guilty pleasure? Not sure i get why you always have to say that.

As far as the over complication goes. Im of the opinion that the hillhouse teachings are very basic, he is good but not he doesnt have any understanding of kinetics at all. Thats why he states those comments are over complicated. I dont agree with a lot of his teachings but he is a good coach with a lot of experience. I dont like that he thinks that ir will occur naturally ( total bull ).i dont like that he doesnt like the term ir...yet has nothing to define what he teaches,,,yet he defines hello elbow. Im much more on his side of the ball with his teachings than those blinded by hello elbow but im not sure he teachings are so great...i dont like his bicep to the ear cue nor do i like the high finish to oppo shoulder.

Bill if its ok for you to announce your lessons and sell your videos then it should be ok to converse on here. I really dont like your attitude on this matter.

This is an interesting post. First, I don't think Bill doesn't say he never gets on, he just says he doesn't go on here very much. And Slingit1 I think may want to do a little more research, look at the percentage of threads where Bill's name is mentioned vs. how many times he's replied. The percentage is minuscule. I have never heard Bill say he doesn't like the term "IR". And if you believe IR to be the true and natural way the body moves (kinetics) then how could it not occur naturally if it's not being impeded by something like a HE style instructor? Personally, I've found the IR drills to be more about correcting the motions that have been taught incorrectly rather than forcing someone to do the IR motion. But that's just me. And in all the lessons my DD has gone, I have never heard him tell her to finish high to the oppo shoulder, what he says is to WHIP THE ELBOW. And when that happens, the hand will go over there naturally. In fact, he has specifically told her he doesn't care WHERE the hand goes, as long as the elbow snaps.

He has nothing to define what he teaches? How about go to a lesson? or email him a question? If you knew the real reason(s) why he doesn't post on here much anymore, maybe you'd have a different tune. never defines what he teaches? WHAT? Does McDonalds stays in business by giving a way french fries all the time? Um, no.

In fact.....
It's funny that you're new to DFP right about the same time Hal got banned, and have a dislike for Bill. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
 
Aug 21, 2008
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As far as the over complication goes. Im of the opinion that the hillhouse teachings are very basic, he is good but not he doesnt have any understanding of kinetics at all. Thats why he states those comments are over complicated. I dont agree with a lot of his teachings but he is a good coach with a lot of experience. I dont like that he thinks that ir will occur naturally ( total bull ).i dont like that he doesnt like the term ir...yet has nothing to define what he teaches,,,yet he defines hello elbow. Im much more on his side of the ball with his teachings than those blinded by hello elbow but im not sure he teachings are so great...i dont like his bicep to the ear cue nor do i like the high finish to oppo shoulder.

Bill if its ok for you to announce your lessons and sell your videos then it should be ok to converse on here. I really dont like your attitude on this matter.[/QUOTE]


I'm sorta agreeing with George, there's a lot of similarities between your post and those of Hal. Mostly that you get things wrong: make claims about me that are not true and claim I have said things that I didn't actually say. This is probably the main reason I stopped posting on here, I am a pretty thin skinned person and can only take "so much" of the inaccuracies and flat out lies that Hal has said about me. It's easy to say "don't listen to him" or "that's just Hal" but I'd like to see how long other's would take it when someone just makes things up about you for one reason or another. There are a lot of people MUCH smarter than me on this board who know a lot more about kinetics and things like that. No question about it. There are some members of this forum who enjoy fighting it out about topics and sometimes that resorts into name calling, etc. I'm just not one of them. And I have no problem with you or anyone else having a difference of opinion about something I teach or something that I do when I actually pitch, but I do have a serious problem when things are simply made up and lies are told. And, I'm not sure why. I'm not sure what I've done to deserve the wrath of Hal and why he makes things up: that I stole his magic grip for the rise (ooops, sorry the "bent finger rise" as opposed to a different rise), that I pitched against the USA internationally in an attempted character assassination, that pitching the way I do (and subsequently teach) will impede someone's vision, etc. Adolf Hitler famously said “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” No I'm not comparing Hal to Hitler... just saying that when you say things that aren't true often enough, people will believe some of it.

Yep, I stand by it. I think some of this is being too over thought. Kids will get paralysis by analysis if you micro manage how her lips are opened when she pitches!! I'm sure you're going to generalize and think I'm saying EVERYTHING is being over analyzed. Nope. But a lot of it is however, I don't know which parts because I don't know kinetics.

Bill
 
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JJsqueeze

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Jul 5, 2013
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Let it go man. No one gives a crap. Bill could post here 50 times in a row and start every post with "I don't post here" and pretty much all of us would just say "cool BH posts here". I just wish that when he did take the time to post he would elaborate more on some of his statements.
 

Slappers

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Sep 13, 2013
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Back to the topic, my daughter had back pain from pitching, well started about the time she was pitching more anyway, that turned out to be severe scoliosis. Hope your daughter gets well and you figure out what the problem is.
 
Feb 3, 2010
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New posters need a probationary period where they are only allowed a post a day or something. The forum looks like a mess this morning because this skirmish has rolled to other threads.

Seemed like more of a unilateral, terrorist attack.
 

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