Hips or the Hands or both simultaneously(lets keep it simple)?

Mudders Brudder said:

The bold is just absolutely incorrect, and as I've asked others previously....were you ever a member at the location that it was actually "spawned"....you know, before this forum was even created?

Rhetorical question because I know you weren't, but ask that you stop pretending to know what's actually meant by those who originally started it, and/or those who use "one legged" in the context that it was initially created in. TDS inadvertently gave a good definition of it....

...when talking about weight transfer, even though he was unaware that that was basically the original definition, and reason for the term.

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I am speaking of what’s en Vogue right now and where people are learning this one legged nonsense. Shanks stuff is what is being copied and made out to be the right way... as a matter of fact your students you have posted don’t shift correctly either. So both of you are incorrect. It truly doesn’t matter where it spawned from does it? No. It doesn’t. But the point is one legged ANYTHING IS A BAD DESCRIPTION FOR THIS STUFF. This is/was my contention.

If your calling me on my Knowledge of internet hitting history. Ok you got me. But that wasn’t the point... Stick to the subject please.

With all due respect ... I couldn’t care less what the Originals meant by one legged. Apparently they didn’t know either by evidence of what you know and don’t know or what Dave taught you...

FP26 (your buddy) even said the term one legged is not a good way to describe any of this. Isn’t that enough of a red flag for you to say hmm? Maybe he’s right?

Attacking my internet hitting history knowledge is pretty weak. I don’t care if it was my grandma who spawned it. That’s not the point. It’s about the mechanics.... good day sir.

Work=wins said:

I am speaking of what’s en Vogue right now and where people are learning this one legged nonsense. Shanks stuff is what is being copied and made out to be the right way... as a matter of fact your students you have posted don’t shift correctly either. So both of you are incorrect. It truly doesn’t matter where it spawned from does it? No. It doesn’t. But the point is one legged ANYTHING IS A BAD DESCRIPTION FOR THIS STUFF. This is/was my contention.

If your calling me on my Knowledge of internet hitting history. Ok you got me. But that wasn’t the point... Stick to the subject please.

With all due respect ... I couldn’t care less what the Originals meant by one legged. Apparently they didn’t know either by evidence of what you know and don’t know or what Dave taught you...

FP26 (your buddy) even said the term one legged is not a good way to describe any of this. Isn’t that enough of a red flag for you to say hmm? Maybe he’s right?

Attacking my internet hitting history knowledge is pretty weak. I don’t care if it was my grandma who spawned it. That’s not the point. It’s about the mechanics.... good day sir.

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Ultimately it is up to each individual to find their way. While I do follow Schenk (not Shank) on Twitter (I follow numerous hitting sources), I have never been a member of HI. If someone likes Schenk's stuff, that is their choice. They could also choose Justin Stone, Matt Antonelli, Bobby Tewksbary, Matt Lisle, Joey Myers, or countless others. I have read information from each of these sources and all have some good things. There is also Baseball Rebellion, Driveline Baseball, Line Drive Nation, and others. Point is, there are many places that people can find information on hitting. Do you feel that all of these sources are wrong?

Work=wins said:

I am speaking of what’s en Vogue right now and where people are learning this one legged nonsense. Shanks stuff is what is being copied and made out to be the right way... as a matter of fact your students you have posted don’t shift correctly either. So both of you are incorrect. It truly doesn’t matter where it spawned from does it? No. It doesn’t. But the point is one legged ANYTHING IS A BAD DESCRIPTION FOR THIS STUFF. This is/was my contention.

If your calling me on my Knowledge of internet hitting history. Ok you got me. But that wasn’t the point... Stick to the subject please.

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The subject is that the one-legged golfer was just an example of the difference of hitting off the rear leg compared to a young man forced to hit off his front leg...

...and how getting out onto the lead leg prematurely vs. "staying back" on the rear leg as in these two extreme examples demonstrate is problematic.

There was never any hitting philosophy "spawned" around standing on, hitting off of, or using just one leg to hit a baseball (or now here a softball)...that's the subject of the continued misunderstanding, and misrepresentation that you, and several others continue propagate.

With all due respect ... I couldn’t care less what the Originals meant by one legged. Apparently they didn’t know either by evidence of what you know and don’t know or what Dave taught you...

FP26 (your buddy) even said the term one legged is not a good way to describe any of this. Isn’t that enough of a red flag for you to say hmm? Maybe he’s right?

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Interesting, because with that level of reading comprehension, he also "said the term two legged is not a good way to describe any of this". So since one legged, and two legged are "not a good way to describe any of this, then maybe you can tell us how many legs we should use...none, three? Ridiculous.

Attacking my internet hitting history knowledge is pretty weak. I don’t care if it was my grandma who spawned it. That’s not the point. It’s about the mechanics.... good day sir.

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History has nothing to do with it. It's simply your knowledge, and understanding of what's been common understanding of hitting mechanics for years, and now when some try to redefine, or rename them as if they've "discovered" something new (Schenck included on somethings) is simply all I'm pointing out.

If you really want me to "stay on the subject" that's cool. So if the COM is 50/50 at "launch position"...then what's left to be "back", as in "forward yet back"?

IOWs, what weight is still "back" if you're at a 50/50 balanced position before you launch the swing/bat/barrel? TDS (your buddy) doesn't even agree with you wrt that...

TDS said:

I wouldn't say balanced 50/50..

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...so good day to you as well sir.

FP26 said:

Ultimately it is up to each individual to find their way. While I do follow Schenk (not Shank) on Twitter (I follow numerous hitting sources), I have never been a member of HI. If someone likes Schenk's stuff, that is their choice. They could also choose Justin Stone, Matt Antonelli, Bobby Tewksbary, Matt Lisle, Joey Myers, or countless others. I have read information from each of these sources and all have some good things. There is also Baseball Rebellion, Driveline Baseball, Line Drive Nation, and others. Point is, there are many places that people can find information on hitting. Do you feel that all of these sources are wrong?

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Haven't "followed" Rich ever since the "Big Purge" (I'm not even going to try to attempt to explain) some seven or eight years ago already, but did enjoy watching Tewks come onto the scene at BBF in 2010 and then eventually watch him on MLB TV (pretty cool), and really like what I'm seeing Antonelli put out in his Youtube video series. If fact, if I was to pick the person closest in technique, and understanding to my teachings of the swing, I'd say "Antonelli Baseball" hands down, w/o a doubt.

FP26 said:

Ultimately it is up to each individual to find their way. While I do follow Schenk (not Shank) on Twitter (I follow numerous hitting sources), I have never been a member of HI. If someone likes Schenk's stuff, that is their choice. They could also choose Justin Stone, Matt Antonelli, Bobby Tewksbary, Matt Lisle, Joey Myers, or countless others. I have read information from each of these sources and all have some good things. There is also Baseball Rebellion, Driveline Baseball, Line Drive Nation, and others. Point is, there are many places that people can find information on hitting. Do you feel that all of these sources are wrong?

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It’s a matter of matching video and getting results for me. Its well known HIs stuff isn’t a match and has been in revision it’s lifes entirety. If he didn’t CRY to match video. I wouldn’t be so critical. But his stuff is a knockoff and is counterfeit. You will see him say ‘Xpro does it this way’. When he doesnt. All he cares about is his brand, NOT quality mechanics.

When Epstein was the business , and then he wasn’t . People ripped his stuff. Epstein revised and got better. BUT he didn’t tell everyone they were dumb or say they didn’t understand. TM says ‘you don’t seek the truth’. LOL, he’s such a fraud.

As far as the other if they were claiming elite level stuff and it clearly wasn’t. Plus saying everyone else is wrong. I would knock them as well. But they don’t. They keep working towards A level mechanics.

Work=wins said:

It’s a matter of matching video and getting results for me. Its well known HIs stuff isn’t a match and has been in revision it’s lifes entirety. If he didn’t CRY to match video. I wouldn’t be so critical. But his stuff is a knockoff and is counterfeit. You will see him say ‘Xpro does it this way’. When he doesnt. All he cares about is his brand, NOT quality mechanics.

When Epstein was the business , and then he wasn’t . People ripped his stuff. Epstein revised and got better. BUT he didn’t tell everyone they were dumb or say they didn’t understand. TM says ‘you don’t seek the truth’. LOL, he’s such a fraud.

As far as the other if they were claiming elite level stuff and it clearly wasn’t. Plus saying everyone else is wrong. I would knock them as well. But they don’t. They keep working towards A level mechanics.

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W=w, this I can agree with you 100%...the bold especially.

rdbass said:

Who would hit it further?

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There are studies using the same person on just the rear leg and on just the front leg ... and the conclusion is different than what is suggested here.

pattar said:

(Not sure I want to get into this conversation... )

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Now you see why I said that [MENTION=14629]julray[/MENTION]...

pattar said:

Now you see why I said that [MENTION=14629]julray[/MENTION]...

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LOL, too funny

Saw a recent Instagram post from TM. One of his followers said "Hips are rotating in that swing". TM replied that something else moved them. Later on he went on to explain that it was the back leg. Do people actually believe this? TM claims "Zero hip rotation" I believe in a synergy of major body parts causing a violent powerful action. Hips and core are definitely rotating.