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Is it just me or does the action TM describes look very unbalanced? I had always heard to make sure you have a balanced swing. Is this the one leg vs. two leg swing i had read about? Just curious since it seems every time he demonstrates, he swings and then falls over the plate on follow thru. If that is the intent and the only way to keep the corner, then i understand, just seems a little different than a balanced approach.
 
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Is it just me or does the action TM describes look very unbalanced? I had always heard to make sure you have a balanced swing. Is this the one leg vs. two leg swing i had read about? Just curious since it seems every time he demonstrates, he swings and then falls over the plate on follow thru. If that is the intent and the only way to keep the corner, then i understand, just seems a little different than a balanced approach.

He is 60 or so years old and not in the best shape....IMO you are better off looking at the pro hitters he analyzes and looking for what he is talking about in their swings. If you don't see it in their swings then I would ignore what he is saying.

One thing, mechanically, that I do see when he demonstrates things vs pro hitters
is that he tends to get his head too far back over his rear leg when he coils, etc. That will mess with his balance a bit as the center of mass
is probably a bit too far back. He may be exaggerating things a bit for demonstrative purposes but what you will see with most elite hitters is that when they coil, and throughout most of their swing, their head will stay nearly over their belly button.

The one leg vs two leg idea was talked about in last night's video:
https://twitter.com/Teacherman1986/status/1102765560389988353

It is about whether the center of pressure (COP) is near the back foot at swing launch (he says keeping the weight on the back foot, e.g. one-legged) and hence not bleeding the coil before launching vs
having the COP either centered or near the front foot at swing launch. According to TM, it is impossible to get the COP forward before launch
and not bleed the coil. Some will claim you want the COP to be more or less centered at swing launch. Again, look at elite hitters and choose your poison.

One thing that I think he mentioned last night, which I have noticed previously, is that if you look at many good hitters their front leg straightens after
swing launch which he says, and I agree with, is a reaction to increased ground pressure on the front leg at/after swing launch. That isn't necessarily
an absolute since there are some lousy hitters that have this happen as well. Every hitter,
regardless of whether they are 1-legged or 2-legged, will have this increased pressure after swing launch but I think what distinguishes 1-legged
vs 2-legged is the change in ground pressure before and after swing launch with the 1-legged hitter having a much larger delta.

I think it is cool for him to be posting this stuff for free, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. The more information
out there the better IMO. It is the job of the Dad/Mom, etc to decide what he/she agrees with and what he/she disagrees with
and go from there.
 
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"1-legged hitter having a much larger delta."?????


I just watched the video and I think I finally understand one legged vs two legged. I don't agree everybody has to be one legged especially in fastpitch. Hitters can have a momentum swing (2 legged) and be very successful. Stanton, who he throws under the bus, somehow launch a ball out at 123 mph with a two legged approach. I think, especially for smaller hitters, that a little momentum is needed to create bat speed. Yeah keep the coil as much as possible but also realize that the obliques and other core muscles are pulling as much as the rear leg is driving and the swings axis can be the spine not the rear hip socket.
 
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"1-legged hitter having a much larger delta."?????


I just watched the video and I think I finally understand one legged vs two legged. I don't agree everybody has to be one legged especially in fastpitch. Hitters can have a momentum swing (2 legged) and be very successful. Stanton, who he throws under the bus, somehow launch a ball out at 123 mph with a two legged approach. I think, especially for smaller hitters, that a little momentum is needed to create bat speed. Yeah keep the coil as much as possible but also realize that the obliques and other core muscles are pulling as much as the rear leg is driving and the swings axis can be the spine not the rear hip socket.

Who is he talking about when it comes to 1 legged vs 2 legged, HOF hitters or guys hitting .225 and hitting between 20 and 40 hrs? I think the 1 legginess is just hitters who are coiled with the weight back at the launch position. So you could say all hitters are 1 legged (HOF hitters). The back leg is important and so is keeping the weight coiled, and this doesn't mean there is no weight shift, it just means they maintain a coil.
 
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"1-legged hitter having a much larger delta."?????

Delta, e.g. change in the front foot pressure before and after launch. You can have momentum and still be 1 legged..hell I can jump forward and have momentum and be no-legged.....???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
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I think the catapult guy did some no legged experiments. Shawn???

My point was that whether one has a lot of momentum in their swing or not has no bearing on whether they are 1-legged or 2-legged. Betts moves forward a lot but is still 1 legged for example. Every hitter
has some pressure on their front foot when they launch, nobody swings from 1 leg as the front leg is needed for balance. 1 legged vs 2 legged is more about how the foot pressure is distributed between the front and back foot at launch with a
1 legged hitter have a majority on the back foot.
 

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My point was that whether one has a lot of momentum in their swing or not has no bearing on whether they are 1-legged or 2-legged. Betts moves forward a lot but is still 1 legged for example. Every hitter
has some pressure on their front foot when they launch, nobody swings from 1 leg as the front leg is needed for balance. 1 legged vs 2 legged is more about how the foot pressure is distributed between the front and back foot at launch with a
1 legged hitter have a majority on the back foot.

I think one needs to first separate the differences in one legged hitters .. We know HI's version but then we have the others that FP26, and others reference. The hitters I refer to as 2 legged (ie. betts)are leveraged (both legs ) before launching the swing and not using the front leg for the sole purpose of balance or catching the swing..
 
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