Softball swing v baseball swing

jofus13 said:

By 14U, you should be facing pitching routinely 55+. If she can hit that with a "long, arcing swing", then more power to her. I have my doubts, however.

With that being said...IMHO, a really good softball swing and a really good baseball swing are pretty similar. But, I don't personally think that a "long, arcing swing" constitutes a really good baseball swing.

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Agreed.


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mack said:

...from instructors of the QuickHands technique for many years ...

Mack

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Is this the quick hands people you are talking about?

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You better watch it, Darrell, or Denny Throneburg will be look'in for ya! Casey always had the great tradition of men's fastpitch and then Denny did just a tremendous job with the girl's program. A great coach, teacher, friend, and person!

Mike

Richard

Let it go.

Elliott.

mack said:

I've been having a discussion with another parent about softball hitting technique and I'm having a bit of trouble. Softball in my area is something to do during the summer to keep in shape for volleyball or basketball. This is very different from the environment we left back in Indiana. My DD is an older 14U, earned her V letter this spring. She took lessons from instructors of the QuickHands technique for many years and hits pretty well. I'm not sold that it's one of the best techniques, just that it's worked so far. My problem is that most of the girls around here have been taught to hit by their dads using baseball swings taught by their dads. By that I mean weight back, hands high, elbow up, step and swing. Given all of the differing opinions about hitting (re:rotational hitting thread) one thing seems to be a given - hands close to the body; elbow below the bat head; short, efficient swing to the ball. How can I convince this dad that this is how hitting should be? His argument is he doesn't understand how you can develop any power without that long, arcing swing. My comment to him is that it mught work at younger ages but, when the speed picks up, his DD won't be able to keep up. I'm i way off base?

I don't want to spark any 30 page discussion, but I sure would appreciate some help here.

Mack

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girls cant do the baseball swing because they dont have that much body strength and the girls big muscles are located in the legs

and when you do a rotational swing the big muscles direct the smaller muscles which are her arms which holds the bat and the bat is pulled around by the legs

thats what makes the balls go flying into the outfield

i am 14 but i am goin to be a sophmore in high school so i cant explain it that much but i have played my whole life and i have played on a guys team and a girls so i can tell you the differece of the two



any more questions dont hesitate to ask

beastmode said:

girls cant do the baseball swing because they dont have that much body strength and the girls big muscles are located in the legs

and when you do a rotational swing the big muscles direct the smaller muscles which are her arms which holds the bat and the bat is pulled around by the legs

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i would have to agree... i don't think there is as much a difference in a baseball swing and fastpitch swing is there are differences a baseball player and fastpitch player, i.e. boys and girls.

boys, especially once they have gotten to school age, derive a lot of their power from upper body, arms, shoulders and maybe most importantly wrists and hands. girls on the other hand rely more on lower body to get the bat in motion.

i know that be it girls or boys the power in a swing is suppose to come from the lower body and when done correctly it does. but boys can use their upper body to get the bat in motion.

this is certainly not meant do be anything against girls, it's just that there is physical differences and i do think that it makes a difference in the swing.

well i've got to run, we're playing in a tournament today. hopefully my girls will swing the bat

First, the towel where his bottom hand is holding is below the bat knob.

Secondly, so now you are saying that you swing with a "high level pattern." Please video the inference of which you can swing like Bonds.

Thirdly, I don't know that Englishbey proclaims himself anything at all other than a hitting instructor that gives lessons, produced DVDs on PCR and who travels around putting on clinics for coaches, teams and players. I've never heard him call himself anything other than that. For all others, please go to Baseball Fever and check out recent posts by "Justthefacts." That gentleman is Paul Nyman. He has very precise posts on PCR, the instruction of it ...

You seem to disregard my point of emphasis that you used similar video of Bond for years supporting the concepts taught by Englishbey/Nyman. Do you deny this? How can you justify years of saying this pattern is the MLB pattern and now it is not?

Did you read my post or where you just quick to attack Englishbey. I said that in my belief there is one swing pattern that can be successful for both boys and girls and so both genders can be instructed the same way. You are the one on record as stating that girls can't/haven't achieved anything similar to the MLB swing with the exception of Bustos.

I believe the title of this thread is 'softball swing v baseball swing'. That is what I've tried to address here.

As you know, I have done my maya culpa . If you will allow your own trial and error experience to guide you, you will make the same move....eventually. The problem is, you don't swing competitively, so you are at a distinct disadvantage.

And, please link to my quote that said I can swing like Bonds. I'm sure the readers would appreciate some sense of honesty from you.

I'm not particularly interested in talking about PCR the illusive blueprint. But rather the specific teachings of the PCR group that teaches, no separation, hands along for the ride, tilt and turn, maintain tilt around the corner....etc etc etc. All the things you speak of that video does not support.

Again....the towel on the handle has nothing to do with causing spinning, which is what I've pointed out as a large difference between the softball instructor and the high level mlb swing. IF in fact there are hitters successful with this instructors teaching, again, none of which has ever been posted on a public board, then the only conclusion can be that there are two distinctly different swing patterns. Well....I guess another conclusion could be found in why they aren't allowed to post their swing.

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No amount of "maya culpa" can change the fact that you used video of Bonds as the perfect example of PCR. Whether you do a 180 on what you profess or not, those example you cited stand.

You said, "I just took several swings with a towel over the handle and it did not preclude my lower body from swinging within the high level pattern. The baseball pattern." Thereby also insinuating that you can swing with a high level pattern. You then use Bonds as the example of a high level pattern. Therefore, it is then valid since you suggest that you swing with a high level pattern and that Bonds swings with a high level pattern that you swing like Bonds. BTW, to suggest that I don't swing a bat would be based upon ??? You don't have a clue as to what I do. You suggest you swing in a high level pattern. VIDEO! I've never claimed any such ability. Per Honesty, you didn't even go there did you? Only my sense of class prevents me from posting a link here.

I'm thinking that when the other members of this forum read these posts, they can draw their own conclusions as to who is doing what.

Thanks for the offer to work with my daughter. However, I don't recall asking for help. In fact, we're happy with everything we're doing now. I'm sure that you have ideas. Those ideas won't fit into what has proven successful for her since we differ so much on philosophies. Success as determined by the number of MVP Awards she has earned this summer in tournaments (3 out 7 tournaments entered with the most recent one being a game MVP at the Mattoon Bagelfest. Amy in AZ, I believe, can speak for the quality of that tournament.) Success as determined by being the only freshman and the first one in four years to start at our HS. (The only 3 players that have ever started as freshmen at our school have gone on to play D-I softball.) Success as determined by being All-Conference and honorable mention all-area (Belleville News Democrat) All of that at the ripe old age of 14. Yes, she has a long way to go. However, she is doing just fine. The only video of her around is on a private site. Beside, you would know that the general public can be cruel to those that post video of their children on public sites. You son has had his fair share of attacks which is inherently unfair to him. You could also reference comments about another prominent poster who's daughter has done well and yet, suffered attacks due to video that was posted.

Concerning the video of Bonds, please cite where I mentioned anything about PCR and Bonds ever!

I just took several swings with a towel over the handle and it did not preclude my lower body from swinging within the high level pattern. The baseball pattern. It did not force me to spin.

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Well this is a drill demo trying to make a particular point and the towel is because he was sweating like crazy and didn't have a batting glove handy. Also the clip is copyrighted but apparently you are used to breaking those laws. In any case, we would all love to see you "swinging within the high level pattern" as you claim. We all look forward to the video.