top hand role/duty

Ha, OK maybe I shortened and oversimplified my sentiment... In working with my DD who is a serial bat dragger, her over active and overly strong top hand (only at the INITIATION of the swing) leads to casting and bat drag for her. I would argue that if you had dynamometer (pull scale) attached to the wall, at the INITIATION of the swing (when your hands are near your ear or moving slightly back during load) I think you would be able to pull harder with your bottom hand than you could push with your top hand. Once the movement is initiated, I believe that the comment I made referencing the bottom had providing a stable platform was to infer that it delivers the power. To me a swing is PULL/TTB dominated by the top hand transitioning to the bottom hand delivering power through the hips at contact. Probably still too oversimplified, who knows. At least it makes sense to me....

Shawn said:

Good thing he doesn't uncock and lose the hinge angle like he practices before the swing.

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Yea, it unfolds a little differently when everything is moving and there is intent to hit a ball.

Shawn said:

Good thing he doesn't uncock and lose the hinge angle like he practices before the swing.

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rdbass said:

youtube;O3p01ed6T10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3p01ed6T10

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If you look at what Bonds says and demos at about 1:25 and compare that bat/hand position to the position he is at 30 seconds in this video of his swing you will see a substantial difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUTW4FsMeNQ

Athletes often think their sport specific actions are different from what video shows, he's not really 'dropping the bat head on the ball'.

ArmWhip said:

If you look at what Bonds says and demos at about 1:25 and compare that bat/hand position to the position he is at 30 seconds in this video of his swing you will see a substantial difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUTW4FsMeNQ

Athletes often think their sport specific actions are different from what video shows, he's not really 'dropping the bat head on the ball'.

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The action he is probably describing/feeling is the rearward/downward barrel acceleration which occurs when he launches..to him that launch action probably feels like a hammer down movement.
Because he coils properly and holds that as he moves out that "down" turns into an "upward" barrel path via tilt of his torso.

FiveFrameSwing said:

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Thank you for all your input FFS. LOL

Rolling Hard said:

Thank you for all your input FFS. LOL

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And warm "thank you" to you RH ... LOL.

I guess he doesn't lose the hinge angle that much. Most of the movement is directed from batter box to batter box, vertical into a slotting action. There is some movement rearward, although not to the degree TM has shown. So this is a case of don't do as I say or show. This looks more like Mankin's THT and early bat movement (PLT). Of course this all comes from Mankin anyways. He was the one that discovered all this anyways.

Shawn, just a lil sumpin', sumpin' to try....

Put the bat directly out in front of you at chest height as TM demos, and do the forward/back supination/pronation thing he does...the bat/barrel should go straight front to back...a towards the pitcher, directly back towards the catcher kind of thing.

Now as you're doing that, move your hands up, and back to the position that AJ has them in the clip, and see which the direction the bat/barrel now goes...w/o you having changed the movement in your hands, wrists, or forearms.

Is the bat/barrel still going forward and back, pitcher to catcher...or is it going forward, and back from roughly the front of one batter's box to the rear of the other?

Try it, and see if that changes anything IYO.