The most overlooked technique for creating bat speed/power? Does bat speed = power?

_MIA_ · Jan 9, 2019

Again, if the ball hits the sweet spot, the physics say it does not matter if Jon Brower Minnoch was holding the bat or the bat is not gripped at all. If it doesn't hit the sweet spot grip "strength" will play a part but player strength/mass will likely have minimal, if any, effects on the ball flight. What might happen however is with a stronger girl with slow bat speed she might be able to better continue her swing after the ball has long left the bat. Think about younger kids trying to hit those heavy TCB balls. Sometimes it appears as if their bat almost stops once they make contact. This might be mitigated some with a heavier/stronger kid vs a lighter/weaker kid both having the same bat speed. The ball flight would be the same in both cases however, assuming everything else is the same.

ian · Jan 10, 2019

Mudders Brudder said:
Yes, grip does matter...but not in the contact phase of the swing the Nathan was testing, but rather how varying grips on the handle can effect the freedom (or lack there of) of the hands/wrists/forearms, and their ability to positively or negatively "swivel" quickly and completely to generate whatever bat/barrel speed the player is capable of depending on the grip they use.

Grip matters in the contact phase of the swing. The lone exception is 'black out' sweet spot contact. The majority of in game contact in every level of play, is not 'black out' sweet spot hits. Nathan proved this. Can't argue against scientific evidence.

Grip also matters when trying to efficiently generate bat speed.

_MIA_ · Jan 10, 2019

ian said:
Grip matters in the contact phase of the swing. The lone exception is 'black out' sweet spot contact. The majority of in game contact in every level of play, is not 'black out' sweet spot hits. Nathan proved this. Can't argue against scientific evidence.

Grip also matters when trying to efficiently generate bat speed.

Did he give any technical details as to why? Just curious...

ian · Jan 10, 2019

pattar said:
Did he give any technical details as to why? Just curious...

Just as your study on vibrations concluded.

Did he reference your study?

Mudders Brudder · Jan 10, 2019

ian said:
Grip matters in the contact phase of the swing. The lone exception is 'black out' sweet spot contact. The majority of in game contact in every level of play, is not 'black out' sweet spot hits. Nathan proved this. Can't argue against scientific evidence.

Grip also matters when trying to efficiently generate bat speed.

You'll have to explain in greater detail...how at the moment of contact it matters how a hitter grips the bat at the moment of impact.

We've already seen that at the moment of contact a hitter doesn't even have to be gripping the bat at all, and is still able to hit the ball out of the park. I'm interested to hear how or what Nathan believes the grip at contact on a non 'black out' sweet spot swing matters or is correct or not correct at that moment in time.

_MIA_ · Jan 10, 2019

Mudders Brudder said:
You'll have to explain in greater detail...how at the moment of contact it matters how a hitter grips the bat at the moment of impact.

We've already seen that at the moment of contact a hitter doesn't even have to be gripping the bat at all, and is still able to hit the ball out of the park. I'm interested to hear how or what Nathan believes the grip at contact on a non 'black out' sweet spot swing matters or is correct or not correct at that moment in time.

I gave my theory in post #23, you didn't like it?

ian · Jan 10, 2019

Mudders Brudder said:
You'll have to explain in greater detail...how at the moment of contact it matters how a hitter grips the bat at the moment of impact.

We've already seen that at the moment of contact a hitter doesn't even have to be gripping the bat at all, and is still able to hit the ball out of the park. I'm interested to hear how or what Nathan believes the grip at contact on a non 'black out' sweet spot swing matters or is correct or not correct at that moment in time.

Just think about it. You don't need me or anyone else to explain it to you.

Do you think the ball would have left the park if it hit a 'no hands' handle?

_MIA_ · Jan 11, 2019

ian said:
Do you think the ball would have left the park if it hit a 'no hands' handle?

I think this isn't really isn't relevant to Mudder's question as it likely wouldn't have left the park if he had hit it on handle
with his hands on the bat. According to what Dr. Nathan said to you, the ball flight would be different however in
this case (but wouldn't be hit out of the park either way ).

In the below video you can see what the wave reflection would sort of look like for a free end and a fixed end.
Somebody holding a bat is somewhere between those conditions (but closer to the
free end case I believe and with the hands being able to absorb some of the energy of the waves).
In a hitting scenario if those reflected waves are traveling fast enough, as they would for balls hit off the
sweet spot where higher modes are excited, they will reach the contact point before the ball has left the bat and
hence change the ball-bat collision. Also in hitting there would be waves being reflected from the barrel
end of the bat and these would interact with those being reflected from the handle end.

ian · Jan 11, 2019

pattar said:
I think this isn't really isn't relevant to Mudder's question as it likely wouldn't have left the park if he had hit it on handle
with his hands on the bat. According to what Dr. Nathan said to you, the ball flight would be different however in
this case (but wouldn't be hit out of the park either way ).

In the below video you can see what the wave reflection would sort of look like for a free end and a fixed end.
Somebody holding a bat is somewhere between those conditions (but closer to the
free end case I believe and with the hands being able to absorb some of the energy of the waves).
In a hitting scenario if those reflected waves are traveling fast enough, as they would for balls hit off the
sweet spot where higher modes are excited, they will reach the contact point before the ball has left the bat and
hence change the ball-bat collision. Also in hitting there would be waves being reflected from the barrel
end of the bat and these would interact with those being reflected from the handle end.

I feel that question is relevant to muds question and some of the other discussion going on in this thread.

From thinking about my question mud quickly realized grip matters for the majority of contact made. He also realized mass matters.

Rolling Hard · Jan 11, 2019

I believe comparing grown men hitting a baseball with a 33 oz. bat and a 10 year old girl hitting a softball with a 18 oz bat is wrong. Let's say a grown man swings a 30 oz bat 30 mph at a basketball traveling 40 mph and a 10 year old girl does the same. The grip would matter.

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