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    Quote Originally Posted by pattar View Post
    I think both you and Spartans21 are correct to a certain extent tbh. Nothing wrong with picking a model swing/swing theory as a goal and working towards that. However there is a lot more that goes into being
    a HL hitter than having a HL swing, whatever that is. Athletic ability, vision, plate discipline, etc. JD Martinez's swing was God awful in his early MLB days but he got there with that swing. Now some might say well the fact that he made it to MLB means his swing was HL but look what happened when he changed it...I had a kid on my D3 team who had a sweet swing...looking back he had all of the attributes one associates with a HL swing. He hit over .400 his Jr. and Sr. years. He was also a mediocre at best athlete. He couldn't run, his arm poor and I played hoop with him sometimes in the offseason and lets just say he wasn't any good. He played in the Cape Cod league after his Jr. season and hit like .150....
    Success is the only thing that truly matters.... the thing that worries me about Fanboi is that I am afraid that he will turn his DD into a robot by taking stuff away because it isnít considered HL.... It isnít good to get caught in you canít do that because it isnít considered HL or you have to do that because it is HL is all I am saying....


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    Quote Originally Posted by DRDRODD View Post
    Success is the only thing that truly matters.... the thing that worries me about Fanboi is that I am afraid that he will turn his DD into a robot by taking stuff away because it isn’t considered HL.... It isn’t good to get caught in you can’t do that because it isn’t considered HL or you have to do that because it is HL is all I am saying....


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    Agree about success being the only thing that matters. That said, you can be successful at the lower age levels with a less than good swing in particular if you are a good athlete. In softball if you are a good enough athlete (elite) you can probably get away with a lot more and still be successful at the highest levels, the filter isn't as discriminatory. Plenty of successful hitters in Power 5 softball (we'll call that the highest level until we figure out NPF in the other thread ) with "interesting" swings. In MLB there are not as many successful hitters who you can say the same about. I would argue Stanton is one but he is a freak...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    What is preparation to swing and swinging?
    I'm not really sure what you are asking, but to me, everything prior to launch is "preparation". The "swing" starts a launch, but can still be aborted. If I didn't answer your question, please let me know. I will try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanboi22 View Post
    Thanks, so you are saying that a change of plane in the swing is not an absolute and not necessary on a high level swing? So though Pujols may start in a more vertical position that then needs to get turned into a horizontal postition has no bearing on the quality of the swing?
    I would say it is debatable, and would allow the "gurus" to answer that question. But in my opinion there are some very good hitters at the highest level that utilize both methods; some start with a more vertical barrel, some with a flatter barrel. My original post included swings from Jim Edmonds and Carlos Gonzalez with flatter barrels. Both of them have had solid careers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FP26 View Post
    I'm not really sure what you are asking, but to me, everything prior to launch is "preparation". The "swing" starts a launch, but can still be aborted. If I didn't answer your question, please let me know. I will try again.
    Lau Sr called the launch position with the back elbow down and next to the side. The lowerbody was not started yet, flat footed. Is Pujols showing that position or passing through it with this swing? Is the launch position as Lau Sr identified it, or is it the modern day the launch position at toe touch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRDRODD View Post
    Success is the only thing that truly matters.... the thing that worries me about Fanboi is that I am afraid that he will turn his DD into a robot by taking stuff away because it isn’t considered HL.... It isn’t good to get caught in you can’t do that because it isn’t considered HL or you have to do that because it is HL is all I am saying....


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    Quote Originally Posted by rdbass View Post
    The HS coaching organization I am a part of has adopted a somewhat different philosophy known as "3 Dimensional Coaching". Many aspects of this, but one point is that I teach that "success does not define you ... what defines you is your work ethic and drive".

    It's a 'game' ... and the game becomes a lot more 'fun' when you stress the work ethic over the results.

    As Winston Churchill suggested ... the results are not final, failure is not fatal ... it's about how you continue on that counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRDRODD View Post
    Success is the only thing that truly matters.... the thing that worries me about Fanboi is that I am afraid that he will turn his DD into a robot by taking stuff away because it isnít considered HL.... It isnít good to get caught in you canít do that because it isnít considered HL or you have to do that because it is HL is all I am saying....


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    Thanks DR. I agree the proof will be in the pudding. I am only basing judgment on what to keep or not keep based on the look. But when she goes live in a game that will really tell me whether it is improving. Just getting some cues on feeling so far for me has been an improvement. Subtle but still an improvement based on initial cage work. I am taking everything I read here with a grain of salt and working for her to be successful. As always appreciate the comments and feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanboi22 View Post
    Thanks DR. I agree the proof will be in the pudding. I am only basing judgment on what to keep or not keep based on the look. But when she goes live in a game that will really tell me whether it is improving. Just getting some cues on feeling so far for me has been an improvement. Subtle but still an improvement based on initial cage work. I am taking everything I read here with a grain of salt and working for her to be successful. As always appreciate the comments and feedback.
    That is good to hear.... I hope you didnít take my comment the wrong way, I truly meant no disrespect.

    With that being said my believe on the running start or what some refer to as ďfloatĒ is inline with FP26. It is more of a style thing. This is actually something that my DD does and is very comfortable with it. It will look different depending on pitch height... the higher the pitch the flatter the barrel at launch so the bat will be lowered more pre launch..... The lower the pitch the bat will more vertical at launch with not much of a ďrunning startĒ if you will.


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