Swing adjustments

FiveFrameSwing said:

Pattar, the hitting sequence needs to include elements that allow a hitter to time the ball.

You "time the pitcher" so that your 'move out' is occurring at, or a smidgen before, the pithcer's release.

As the ball is traveling, you are "timing the ball". That is, you are "reading the pitch" and getting prepared to launch your swing.

What do you have a hitter use to trigger their launching of the swing? You can pick the hands, but the reality is that the torso-engine needs to be in process before the hands begin to work. I see this often with young developing hitters ... they are 'timing the pitch' with their 'hands' and they are late. When I get these same hitters 'timing the pitch' with their torso, they are 'on time'.

Now, as an 'end around', someone came up with the concept of "intent of the hands on the barrel", and they recommend using that as a 'trigger'. If "intent of the hands on the handle" works for you, then that's awesome. Go with it. For me, the torso-engine reacts to my "reading of the pitch". I don't need to add "intent of the hands on the handle" to a hitter's sequence.

One thing you may wish to take away from that discussion is that we both agreed that actual hand/forearm usage was not the trigger. I speculate, that reality is what prompted the notion of "intent of the hands on the handle" to spring up ... i.e., a need to remain hand-centric when faced with data that the hands don't lead the process.

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FiveFrameSwing said:

The arms/hands are responding to the circular energy created by the torso.

The hands are not the trigger. Over at another site there is a guy who wishes to keep the focus on the hands, but even he acknowledges that the actual hand usage trails behind the hips/torso action ... so he invented a term "intent of the hands on the handle". So for him, the trigger is "intent of the hands on the handle", which he believes has the hips/torso actively working, which in turn has the forearms/hands actively working. Sort of an end-around IMO. The fact is, the hands/forearm-action that we care about is responding to the torso-engine ... and to suggest that the hands trigger an event in-front of its usage becomes an issue when promoting timing.

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pattar said:

There are obviously a group of core movements before barrel launch that are important to the barrel launch itself. During the read of the pitch posture, etc. would be adjusted so that the hitter can launch from a position of power and still get the barrel to the ball for various pitch locations. You also want to "dance" with the pitcher. However if you were to ask me what my mental thought process is regarding getting the barrel going behind the ball when I decide to launch I am thinking hands. What triggers your engine starting in your car? Is it you opening the door and sitting in your seat which is all necessary (assuming you don't have remote start ), or is it you turning the key?? I would say turning the key, right?

I will, however, freely admit that I could be wrong and I am totally fine with that

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FiveFrameSwing said:

I get the desire to time swing launch with the hands. I deal with that issue almost every day.

What happens is that a kid will be reading a pitch and not have their torso prepared ... because they were timing the pitch with their hands ... and without their torso they 'push' and become army.

Getting the torso timing the ball is a big plus for many hitters.

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Spartans21 said:

Judge was second in MVP voting and one of the best hitters in baseball. I’m not understanding the ceiling comments. He’s excelling at the highest level.

If the hands are the one and only trigger commitment is as late as possible. One move and your barrel is to the ball. If two engines fire separately commitment must be earlier.

I would totally disagree that this philosophy is a bandaid or quick fix as well.

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Work=wins said:

I do appreciate you acknowledging that it’s a DIFFERENT philosophy and not the MLB philosophy. Most will claim it’s the same thing. They are different . No doubt.

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Work=wins said:

Lastly, if the hands launch the swing, and the swing is in the shift, How does the adjustment for offspeed happen? With the eyes?

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pattar said:

I freely admit that I am old and may need reading glasses, but I don't see him saying the bolded in the text you quoted.


Like this

No need to respond..we can keep the arguing to the other site

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Work=wins said:

Lol. I agree. This place is a higher end neighborhood where all the ENGINEERS and doctors live. Spartans said ‘THIS’ philosophy. Meaning different. Again Barry’s COM shifts, his hands stay back. Then he swings. Respond to me at the other place. Let’s keep this place clean.

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