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    This is a high and inside curve. I thought is was interesting that he delays the heel plant.
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    He was looking fastball, but had to swing. Maybe a 2-2 or 3-2 count??

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    Not swing related - but can the catcher have his throwing hand in any worse a spot? Maybe resting right on his knee cap could be worse.

    Another example of how hard it is fight what appears to be a natural instinct for most catchers.


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    Pitcher misses his spot. Catcher has to move his glove at least 20". He hung a curveball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post


    This is a high and inside curve. I thought is was interesting that he delays the heel plant.
    Weight doesn't shift until the swing causes it to. Nice swing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 625ender View Post
    He was looking fastball, but had to swing. Maybe a 2-2 or 3-2 count??
    I think he recognized or knew a curve was coming. It's just to perfect of an adjustment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FP26 View Post
    Weight doesn't shift until the swing causes it to. Nice swing...
    FP - (my first post didnít go through) - what are you looking at to say his weight is or isnít shifting? His hips seem to be moving forward the whole time into heel plant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gags View Post
    FP - (my first post didn’t go through) - what are you looking at to say his weight is or isn’t shifting? His hips seem to be moving forward the whole time into heel plant.


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    Which can lead to confusion for some ... he's moving forward, yet he's posted as an example of staying back. What was staying back?

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    His head stays back. His belt buckle moves toward the pitcher may 4 or 5 inches while his head moves very little, thus slightly changing his spine angle and flattening out his swing plane so he can launch the ball. This is a great swing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gags View Post
    FP - (my first post didn’t go through) - what are you looking at to say his weight is or isn’t shifting? His hips seem to be moving forward the whole time into heel plant.


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    "Staying back" is relative. There are a number of ways of looking at this. When I analyze a swing, one of the things I focus on is the relationship between the rear hip and the hands. Represented by the red line in the gif below. When done correctly, Bonds can launch for a fastball or a change up. The separation he creates is timed with the ball to determine when his launch will occur. If this timing window is tight (little to no slop), I consider that 'staying back'. The shift is caused by his swing launch.

    I have seen other posters at other sites (most notably bluedog) that talk about 'shifting to the middle'. If you are speaking of the hips, I can see where this can be an accurate way of visualizing the swing. Even in the Bonds clip. His hips appear to "shift to the middle" and then cease to move when the launch of his swing occurs. Even in this case, it is the timing of the move that determines the quality of the swing.

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