One legged or two legged..not sure. But this is what I have been focusing on with my DD lately and it's made a world of difference.
Staying back
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Julray, whatever works for you and DD is the best. We watch tons of video/gifs and compare movements. That helps both of my DDs. One is more analytical than the other and I love that. They both take ownership of their swings. I do my best to break down information like one would explain it to 5 yr old. I can say "let's strike like a rattlesnake" or "gotta stay 1-legged" and to us it means the same thing. Simplest is best. I'm not sure why the argument over 1-legged vs 2-legged is a thing. We've always taught our kids to "stay back" because we don't want them lunging forward but we also don't want them "getting stuck". I don't know I'm going too far with this but I'm very unbiased. I'll give anyone a shot at "teaching" me something. If I don't like it, I'll explain WHY.
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To me, when I hear talk of 'lunging' versus 'staying back', I question if the torso-engine is being used appropriately. When I teach the torso-engine there is no 'lunge' ... and neither is there a need to speak of 'staying back'. The 'move out' is simply a preparation to pull and prepare for the swing to be launched.
^^^^^^ This has proven to be the case with my DD, who suffers from lunging at periods of time.
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'Staying back' can be used many ways. When I hear the term, I always wonder what the coach means by 'stay back'. A kid with good control of their torso-engine can do damage with with the '2-legged' swing. If they can 'resist' from releasing that stretch, they avoid being labeled 'all back all forward' or in extreme cases, avoid lunging forward.
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Instead of quoting some of the questions asked, here are a couple of stills that might make my point. Notice in the Pujols still, the back knee moving inward and down but look at the hands/knob. Now, look at the Votto still, notice the bat knob. I would then ask you to imagine where they would be in relation to the ball I have hitters place on the ground beside the back point of the plate. I am trying to get that action and some might call it "staying back."
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You have an eloquent and efficient way of putting things, thanks
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WEEEEE, the old 1-legged 2-legged debate surfaces again.
I, like FPS, am not a fan of the terms because they generally fall into the viewers own depiction of how they move "their" body.
For instance, 1 hitter might not get forward at all, they never get off the backside at all in their swing. They might be told to get forward, or move forward.. Another hitter might get too far forward, too early and will be told to stay back. Does it really have anything to do with whether 1 leg or 2 legs are being used? NO! It's a check point used to identify a deeper usage/engagement of the core to control the bodies movement forward.
The hitter needs to move the bodies weight into an area that is neither back nor forward but is in the middle of the 2. And in that "middle" a hitter can find freedom to move more efficiently. It's a scary place for most because the hitter loses control as they have known it. But finding a new comfort zone in a new place takes courage and practice. It also takes an instructor that knows how to get a hitter out of their comfort zone.
And for those reading here trying to figure what the heck people are talking about..... YOU need to figure it out for yourself before you try to relate to any hitter you may work with. It may be as easy as stepping off a curb/ or not stepping off a curb. You know, that place where you partly committed your body to stepping off the curb but part of you is still committed to not stepping off the curb. how far off the curb can you go without committing all your weight to road and how long can you stay in that area where your weight is somewhere between on the curb and on the road. What would you do if you suddenly had to pull yourself back onto the curb or at least not continue forward into the road because a car is coming fast. Good luck...
I, like FPS, am not a fan of the terms because they generally fall into the viewers own depiction of how they move "their" body.
For instance, 1 hitter might not get forward at all, they never get off the backside at all in their swing. They might be told to get forward, or move forward.. Another hitter might get too far forward, too early and will be told to stay back. Does it really have anything to do with whether 1 leg or 2 legs are being used? NO! It's a check point used to identify a deeper usage/engagement of the core to control the bodies movement forward.
The hitter needs to move the bodies weight into an area that is neither back nor forward but is in the middle of the 2. And in that "middle" a hitter can find freedom to move more efficiently. It's a scary place for most because the hitter loses control as they have known it. But finding a new comfort zone in a new place takes courage and practice. It also takes an instructor that knows how to get a hitter out of their comfort zone.
And for those reading here trying to figure what the heck people are talking about..... YOU need to figure it out for yourself before you try to relate to any hitter you may work with. It may be as easy as stepping off a curb/ or not stepping off a curb. You know, that place where you partly committed your body to stepping off the curb but part of you is still committed to not stepping off the curb. how far off the curb can you go without committing all your weight to road and how long can you stay in that area where your weight is somewhere between on the curb and on the road. What would you do if you suddenly had to pull yourself back onto the curb or at least not continue forward into the road because a car is coming fast. Good luck...
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This is a pretty good overall explanation of how to ‘ commit to the middle’ without lunging.imo.
Timing your ‘stay back’ isn’t something that happens just because you do it right if that makes sense. It’s really about what the eyes/brain tell the hitter when to commit the backside as well. It’s a ‘varied’ mechanic if you will. It’s why pitchers change speeds. It’s why hitting is hard. It’s why the gather/load of a swing should be ‘felt’ and known in the beginning of the sequence until that feeling is mastered. It sets up a MORE CONTROLLED forward move.
I really like the ‘walk away from the hands/backside’ cue paired with ‘not giving up the back leg and hip relationship’ until commitment/launch.
This is a pretty good overall explanation of how to ‘ commit to the middle’ without lunging.imo.
Timing your ‘stay back’ isn’t something that happens just because you do it right if that makes sense. It’s really about what the eyes/brain tell the hitter when to commit the backside as well. It’s a ‘varied’ mechanic if you will. It’s why pitchers change speeds. It’s why hitting is hard. It’s why the gather/load of a swing should be ‘felt’ and known in the beginning of the sequence until that feeling is mastered. It sets up a MORE CONTROLLED forward move.
I really like the ‘walk away from the hands/backside’ cue paired with ‘not giving up the back leg and hip relationship’ until commitment/launch.
