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Some of the video illustrates that the rear foot is unweighted well before contact which I would think debunks the "swing causes the shift" and one legged theory for most hitters. The mass shifts and begins to rotate before foot plant.
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Describe the one-legged theory as you understand it.
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I must be odd, because I can turn my "torso" (upper torso) w/o turning my hips...yet I'm unable to turn my hips w/o my "torso" (lower) turning also.
Which then leaves me scratching my head as to how my torso (and resulting "top down swing") is supposedly what turns my hips in the proper swing according to the above quotes.
Little help please?
Perhaps consider that active torso rotation is not purely horizontal, but is largely vertical in nature with the horizontal movement being more a result. It isn't simply the hips, but the torso.
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I must be odd, because I can turn my "torso" (upper torso) w/o turning my hips...yet I'm unable to turn my hips w/o my "torso" (lower) turning also.
Which then leaves me scratching my head as to how my torso (and resulting "top down swing") is supposedly what turns my hips in the proper swing according to the above quotes.
Little help please?
I was taught by a basketball coach when defending the ball to watch the guys hips. He can fake you out with his upper body but if the hips turn then he's likely to drive that way. Different sport I know but it goes along with what you're saying.
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Sorry Five, not trying to be dense (it just comes naturally
), but I'm not understanding what you're trying to get across here. I was simply replying to this comment, "So the torso turns the hips. Not the hips turn the torso", and I honestly don't know or can feel how that is supposed to actually happen anatomically, or kinetically hitting wise. Yes, if I was hanging by my hands suspended from a bar with my feet off the ground (open chained), then yes, I can use my torso to move my hips (I can also use my hips/legs to turn my torso, but I digress)....but when standing on the ground (closed chained) then I can turn my torso all I want, and I'm not going to turn my hips (pelvic girdle) unless I activate my hip sockets (femoral heads in their respective acetabulums), and move it (or maybe better stated "allow it to be moved").
Just my take on what Dixon is quoted as saying, and why it still leaves me scratching my head from an anatomical standpoint. But maybe he was trying to use it as some teaching cue or in another format, which I guess then should be used in the overall context in which it was presented, and not just a stand-alone sentence to be used on its own for some other purpose or meaning unless followed up with the additional explanation(s) to allow it to make any sense. JMO....OMMV.
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Yes, almost exactly what I'm saying just above this...I just took the long way around to get there.
So "thank you", you stated pretty much the same, just much more succinctly, and in a far easier understood/user friendly example of what I was trying to say. Yes, almost exactly what I'm saying just above this...I just took the long way around to get there.
Simple is good for me
.. but I understood both of you and imo it makes sense. Sames goes for other sports as well when defendingFiveFrameSwing
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Sorry Five, not trying to be dense (it just comes naturally
Yes, if I was hanging by my hands suspended from a bar with my feet off the ground (open chained), then yes, I can use my torso to move my hips (I can also use my hips/legs to turn my torso, but I digress)....but when standing on the ground (closed chained) then I can turn my torso all I want, and I'm not going to turn my hips (pelvic girdle) unless I activate my hip sockets (femoral heads in their respective acetabulums), and move it (or maybe better stated "allow it to be moved").
Just my take on what Dixon is quoted as saying, and why it still leaves me scratching my head from an anatomical standpoint. But maybe he was trying to use it as some teaching cue or in another format, which I guess then should be used in the overall context in which it was presented, and not just a stand-alone sentence to be used on its own for some other purpose or meaning unless followed up with the additional explanation(s) to allow it to make any sense. JMO....OMMV.
I believe I see where you are coming from MB.
Making the assumption that we are speaking of the main engine of the swing ... and given that 'the hips' are included in Dixon's definition of the 'torso' ... then, it is my 'guess' (and purely a 'guess'), that this comment here ... "So the torso turns the hips. Not the hips turn the torso" ... is about using more than just 'the hips' to initiate the swing.
You are 100% correct. Can't really argue with it ... nor do I wish to. It is what caught my eye initially and why I wanted to know if the poster understood that 'the hips' were included in Dixon's definition of the torso. Bottom line for me, is what is Sean Dixon (not Jim Dixon, who had much more correct IMO) trying to say here ... and so I give him the benefit of the doubt and stretch for a meaning ... and about all I can come up with is that he is suggesting that the start of the swing is not simply about hip action.
The work of the back leg is controlled by the Torso, and yes the leg is working, but not as you would think. It works on a subconscious level which can never be reproduced in the conscious mind. This is all Natural movement that the body can and will do base on the proper thinking. Thinking about moving Torso, not about working and moving legs and arms, will produce Natural Movement thus giving you Athleticism.
The Torso starts the movement and the legs and arms are told how to, dictated to, and coordinated to work with the Torso. All based on a desire of any movement that you wish to make. As humans we do this all the time, but when it comes to baseball hitting we throw it out and replace it with a man made idea of how to do it with legs and arms.
This is from his website^^^^^^ The "So the torso turns the hips. Not the hips turn the torso", was my interpretation of what he was saying.
One legged swing in my view is the one promoted by some with the idea that the front leg floats or stays unweighted and hitter "snaps" the rear hip which is the axis of the swing. I believe if there is lateral motion of the mass (torso), which there is in all swings, the weight is shifting.
The Torso starts the movement and the legs and arms are told how to, dictated to, and coordinated to work with the Torso. All based on a desire of any movement that you wish to make. As humans we do this all the time, but when it comes to baseball hitting we throw it out and replace it with a man made idea of how to do it with legs and arms.
This is from his website^^^^^^ The "So the torso turns the hips. Not the hips turn the torso", was my interpretation of what he was saying.
One legged swing in my view is the one promoted by some with the idea that the front leg floats or stays unweighted and hitter "snaps" the rear hip which is the axis of the swing. I believe if there is lateral motion of the mass (torso), which there is in all swings, the weight is shifting.
