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Jan 6, 2009
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The barrel is starting vertical and being turned backwards while still being vertical. The barrel isn't being launched in the plane of the lead arm. The body is doing one thing and the barrel another thing.
 
Jul 27, 2017
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And if her back foot or leg was causing her to stand up, then the leg would be straightening. It's a reaction to her over-active back arm
pushing that is causing her to stand up. No turning the barrel here.

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The barrel is starting vertical and being turned backwards while still being vertical. The barrel isn't being launched in the plane of the lead arm. The body is doing one thing and the barrel another thing.
 
May 12, 2016
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My DD, thanks for analyzing ..lol. She is not trying to TTB .. however please explain more what you mean by an overactive back arm. First time I heard that and I am trying to break the habit of her getting taller through out the swing.

Whether the barrel is being turned or not, the barrel is being launched backward.. something that's occurring naturally
 
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Feb 25, 2009
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And if her back foot or leg was causing her to stand up, then the leg would be straightening. It's a reaction to her over-active back arm
pushing that is causing her to stand up. No turning the barrel here.

How is her back foot causing her to stand up?
 
Jul 16, 2013
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Pennsylvania
My DD, thanks for analyzing ..lol. She is not trying to TTB .. however please explain more what you mean by an overactive back arm. First time I heard that and I am trying to break the habit of her getting taller through out the swing.

Whether the barrel is being turned or not, the barrel is being launched backward.. something that's occurring naturally

Are you familiar with 'hinge angle'? It's a term that is not discussed as much as it used to be and was often over-baked. But it may be worth a search. Search either 'hinge angle' or 'Donny Buster'.
 
May 12, 2016
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Are you familiar with 'hinge angle'? It's a term that is not discussed as much as it used to be and was often over-baked. But it may be worth a search. Search either 'hinge angle' or 'Donny Buster'.

Not familiar with it..when I search for it I get a lot of hits, but not explained
 
Jul 16, 2013
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Pennsylvania
From Donny Buster:
-- The angle created between the bat and the lead forearm is called the hinge angle.
* The most common swing flaw in youth hitters is failure to form and maintain the hinge angle to front foot plant.
* Taking the hinge angle near the lead pocket with the bat in the lag position creates power.
* Moving the hinge angle such that it is maintained and released out front is a great weight shift cue.

Like I said previously, there used to be a tendency to over-bake this. I see it as a visual checkpoint type thing. I don't think a hitter should be forcefully training to maintain the hinge. But when it isn't present, it is a sign that something is missing. I will let Cal-Rays explain the 'over-active back arm', but I believe it is visible due to what happens with the hinge angle.
 
May 12, 2016
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From Donny Buster:
-- The angle created between the bat and the lead forearm is called the hinge angle.
* The most common swing flaw in youth hitters is failure to form and maintain the hinge angle to front foot plant.
* Taking the hinge angle near the lead pocket with the bat in the lag position creates power.
* Moving the hinge angle such that it is maintained and released out front is a great weight shift cue.

Like I said previously, there used to be a tendency to over-bake this. I see it as a visual checkpoint type thing. I don't think a hitter should be forcefully training to maintain the hinge. But when it isn't present, it is a sign that something is missing. I will let Cal-Rays explain the 'over-active back arm', but I believe it is visible due to what happens with the hinge angle.

Thanks, that really helps
 
Apr 11, 2015
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And if her back foot or leg was causing her to stand up, then the leg would be straightening.
Not necessarily...

The rear leg had some ER to it which put the knee at an angle behind, and way from the rear hip (which in essence lowered her in her stance further than just the bent knees). So as soon as she started to IR the rear leg, and bring the rear knee under the rear hip, the length of her rear femur didn't change which has to be accounted for, and since the rear knee only dropped slightly, the remainder of that length had to go somewhere, and that was "up"...pushing the rear hip/body up as well that's sitting on top of it.
 
May 12, 2016
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Not necessarily...

The rear leg had some ER to it which put the knee at an angle behind, and way from the rear hip (which in essence lowered her in her stance further than just the bent knees). So as soon as she started to IR the rear leg, and bring the rear knee under the rear hip, the length of her rear femur didn't change which has to be accounted for, and since the rear knee only dropped slightly, the remainder of that length had to go somewhere, and that was "up"...pushing the rear hip/body up as well that's sitting on top of it.

So basically loading into a firmer backside will help alleviate the "up" issues we are seeing..
 

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