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This is a technical thread.. so people are very technical in their responses, and for what you are looking for, maybe a little too technical. For the record, I'm not saying they aren't offering valuable info. I understand what you are asking, and initially you received some very informative responses. Now the water is becoming a little muddied. If you are a little frustrated, that's understandable. I honestly believe you should focusing on sequencing... forget referring to it as load, coiling etc. Your DD is young, keep it simple and have fun. patter gave you some excellent advice with front toss. But even before that Eric F provided a link that provides a useful drill that any age can follow. Master this off the tee, then replicate to soft/front toss, then video her game swing to see if she is still in sequence. That's my advice.

Patter has given some good advice. As for the link that Eric F provided. That's what we did last night off the tee. Below is a video of her trying it out.

 
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Patter has given some good advice. As for the link that Eric F provided. That's what we did last night off the tee. Below is a video of her trying it out.



Study the gifs rdbass posted and try and understand why FFS was saying/asking what he was saying/asking. Everybody has different styles of helping on here but in
my experience if one takes the time to understand where they are coming from, they all can be useful.

At this point, as Eric F entioned, the most important thing you can do is to learn as much as you can and then figure out how to best (and what rate)
to impart that knowledge to your DD. Sometimes the learning part includes asking
questions, sometimes it involves just listening/reading. I have a (newly turned) 9 YO DD (along with a 3 year old DS who is just starting out hitting and a 5 month old DS who likes to eat his foot...)
so I can sympathize with most everything you are going through :cool:
 
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May 24, 2013
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Patter has given some good advice. As for the link that Eric F provided. That's what we did last night off the tee. Below is a video of her trying it out.



This looks really good for her age!! :) If it were me guiding her at this point, I would continue to work with this pattern until this becomes her new "normal" and it shows up with hitting moving balls - front toss and games. There are some other tweaks that should be made along the way, but this is a very good starting point.

I love that her hips turn so her right rear pocket turns towards the pitcher as she moves forward. Right now, her right knee is also turning a bit rearward, too. We want to see that knee stay inside the rear foot during that move, creating a twisting tension around the upper leg and hip.

Again...don't try to fix everything all at once. Let her build a foundation of these new movements first.
 
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This looks really good for her age!! :) If it were me guiding her at this point, I would continue to work with this pattern until this becomes her new "normal" and it shows up with hitting moving balls - front toss and games. There are some other tweaks that should be made along the way, but this is a very good starting point.

I love that her hips turn so her right rear pocket turns towards the pitcher as she moves forward. Right now, her right knee is also turning a bit rearward, too. We want to see that knee stay inside the rear foot during that move, creating a twisting tension around the upper leg and hip.

Again...don't try to fix everything all at once. Let her build a foundation of these new movements first.

Thanks! She picked up on the drill fairly quickly. Your right to not try and fix all at once. She says she has wants to try it in a game. Starting from a regular stance not feet together. I'm a little nervous about her doing it "In Game" right now. She has a scrimmage today, which I told her would be a good time to try it. How would you go about using it in game? Just go ahead and turn her loose to it LOL or have her slowly use it in game situations?
 
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Thanks! She picked up on the drill fairly quickly. Your right to not try and fix all at once. She says she has wants to try it in a game. Starting from a regular stance not feet together. I'm a little nervous about her doing it "In Game" right now. She has a scrimmage today, which I told her would be a good time to try it. How would you go about using it in game? Just go ahead and turn her loose to it LOL or have her slowly use it in game situations?

Just let her loose..whatever that means in regards to the swing shown (not sure what part you were referring to when you said to use "it" in a game).

Keep in mind that at that age the swing is always going to be a work in progress with things changing weekly, at least it is with my DD.
Part of that may be me not telling too much when we practice so she kind of develops things (bad and good)
on her own. If I start to say too much our hitting sessions devolve into yelling matches which isn't fun for anybody involved.
 
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Just let her loose..whatever that means in regards to the swing shown (not sure what part you were referring to when you said to use "it" in a game).

Keep in mind that at that age the swing is always going to be a work in progress with things changing weekly, at least it is with my DD.
Part of that may be me not telling too much when we practice so she kind of develops things (bad and good
on her own). If I start to say too much our hitting sessions devolve into yelling matches which isn't fun for anybody involved.

That describes me and her to a tee:D
 
May 24, 2013
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Thanks! She picked up on the drill fairly quickly. Your right to not try and fix all at once. She says she has wants to try it in a game. Starting from a regular stance not feet together. I'm a little nervous about her doing it "In Game" right now. She has a scrimmage today, which I told her would be a good time to try it. How would you go about using it in game? Just go ahead and turn her loose to it LOL or have her slowly use it in game situations?

Let her go for it! She may have some difficulties sorting out the timing at first, but she will get it. Starting from a normal stance is fine. The drill is about getting a better understanding of the correct sequence of movements to be applied to a swing.

Be careful about falling into a trap of focusing on "right now" results. Learning these new movements may cause some challenges at first, but once she sorts it out, the payoff will be way higher level than she could have reached with the double-stride move she was doing before. The goal is to build towards what will help her be successful tomorrow, next month, next year, etc. Your work with her outside of team practices and games, giving her good guidance, will help her development dramatically and the "right now" results will start coming, too.
 
May 24, 2013
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That describes me and her to a tee:D

I also fell into that hole with my DD. It wasn't good for either of us. One of the best lessons I learned was to let it go and save the lesson for another day. Sometimes just walking away is way more productive than trying to force a lesson that they don't want to learn right then. Also, just hitting without instruction (or very little) can be good, too. Sometimes, they need the space to sort things out in their own body.

Keep in mind that at the young age of your DD, she is still trying to figure out her own body awareness, and understand how to control it. These are not things you can force.
 
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Just let her loose..whatever that means in regards to the swing shown (not sure what part you were referring to when you said to use "it" in a game).

Keep in mind that at that age the swing is always going to be a work in progress with things changing weekly, at least it is with my DD.
Part of that may be me not telling too much when we practice so she kind of develops things (bad and good)
on her own. If I start to say too much our hitting sessions devolve into yelling matches which isn't fun for anybody involved.

I swear that's the value of sending your kid to a hitting instructor. When working with a hitter I don't hesitate to say what's on my mind, outline a roadmap, and set expectations for learning particular movement patterns. The majority of my hitting students take feedback well .... but the exact same feedback coming from a Dad/Mom is not always appreciated ... and this is fairly normal. Remember this ... 10-20 years from now you'll value maintaining a good relationship with your kids ... so don't hesitate to use an instructor ... and let's face it, a decent instructor has seen many, many, many issues and should be able to work with your kid effectively. That said ... good hitting instruction is not always readily available.
 

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