Turning the barrel 6
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- Apr 11, 2015
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Curious, do you believe that Manny is "directing" his hands to the position in the first frame of this clip, and then TTB from there...or that he already TTB well upstream that sent his hands/bat/barrel to this position in his overall swing?
So does everyone believe that TTB is the whole of the bat action? I get this, as it is what Tewks and many believe, just GO.
Its just that the barrel does not turn much, it moves Yes, but there is no pivot.
At the command of go, thats in every pitch. And the first thing that happens is the hands seeking a good spot to set up the swing.
The elbow slots, but i like the student to feel the tension of barrel load first, in the forearms.
Release, is turning the barrel. Being that the bat is still on his shoulder.
Me, i do not do what Manny is doing so well, i let it go to early, my arms get long.
AND, how can you stop your swing like in the gif, if the barrel is turning?
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OK thanks. We disagree on the bold. IMO, a hitter TTB early, pulls it forward with their lower half (hips), and then just doesn't "release" it on a check swing.
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In JMO...while slo-mo video is helpful in some cases...I believe that some have used it incorrectly in order to make adopt theories that are taking "effects", and attempting to make them into "causes".
Years back at another site, a member attempted to state that the "lag" position was somehow a checkpoint, and as a result, tried to create a new teachable theory off of it. Needless to say that didn't fly, and it was eventually dropped...but unfortunately I think that the same happened (is happening) with the "direction" before the TTB theory we're seeing the past year or so now.
Look at the "intent" of JD wrt getting the barrel up to speed ASAP (TTB)....
...and then how he just didn't "release" or complete the swing (yes, that was indeed a "take", and not a swing edited to cut it short...look at the lead leg not complete its "swing" movement).
Now if we use "release" as the beginning of TTB, we'd miss how he was able to get the bat/barrel up to speed, and "turned" to the ball at what could have just as easily been "contact" instead of the "take" that he decided to make it into.
Years back at another site, a member attempted to state that the "lag" position was somehow a checkpoint, and as a result, tried to create a new teachable theory off of it. Needless to say that didn't fly, and it was eventually dropped...but unfortunately I think that the same happened (is happening) with the "direction" before the TTB theory we're seeing the past year or so now.
Look at the "intent" of JD wrt getting the barrel up to speed ASAP (TTB)....
...and then how he just didn't "release" or complete the swing (yes, that was indeed a "take", and not a swing edited to cut it short...look at the lead leg not complete its "swing" movement).
Now if we use "release" as the beginning of TTB, we'd miss how he was able to get the bat/barrel up to speed, and "turned" to the ball at what could have just as easily been "contact" instead of the "take" that he decided to make it into.
OK thanks. We disagree on the bold. IMO, a hitter TTB early, pulls it forward with their lower half (hips), and then just doesn't "release" it on a check swing.
Terminology. The body is turning the bat before release. yes? Or the body and the bat are turning as the bat is not turning in the hands, the wrists are deviating, a loading move, which i do not consider, TTB. but all part of the barrel work. I love rear hip leading, towards ball. Part of "direction" training.
In JMO...while slo-mo video is helpful in some cases...I believe that some have used it incorrectly in order to make adopt theories that are taking "effects", and attempting to make them into "causes".
Years back at another site, a member attempted to state that the "lag" position was somehow a checkpoint, and as a result, tried to create a new teachable theory off of it. Needless to say that didn't fly, and it was eventually dropped...but unfortunately I think that the same happened (is happening) with the "direction" before the TTB theory we're seeing the past year or so now.
Look at the "intent" of JD wrt getting the barrel up to speed ASAP (TTB)....
...and then how he just didn't "release" or complete the swing (yes, that was indeed a "take", and not a swing edited to cut it short...look at the lead leg not complete its "swing" movement).
Now if we use "release" as the beginning of TTB, we'd miss how he was able to get the bat/barrel up to speed, and "turned" to the ball at what could have just as easily been "contact" instead of the "take" that he decided to make it into.
The body turn is getting the barrel up to speed, along with some extension i believe.
To work this conversation out i set up a machine at 40 feet and 70 mph. then even closer. i was so very easy to hit this velocity if i was in the position of manny, but not if i just swung at the ball, so i used direction with a loaded barrel, and i was very easy. I just back engineered from there for a smooth efficient swing.
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So you're in essence saying this is the correct way of TTB?
And yes, that was taken from the hitter's full swing to the ball.
Not a whole lot of power/energy into the ball with the hands "directed" to some out front location, and then "releasing"/TTB from there...IMO.
