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May 12, 2016
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This is a fun clip to study and compare to some possible TTB assumptions. The first two frames posted by Shawn when viewed in isolation could support a hands to the ball instruction. With the next 2 frames some serious barrel turning into the path of the pitch occurs. I have been working with my DD recently on the use of her core and an awareness of her shoulders in assisting in barrel turn. She was getting into the habit of starting with her rear shoulder lower than her lead shoulder. By working on the cue of her front shoulder starting down and in during her load/coil and then working the lead shoulder up while the back one works down (kind of a swivel) and making sure the elbows and hands are connected to this movement she seems to be really improving the quickness of her bat rotating into the path of the pitch. So for us right now the shoulders are playing an important role in TTB. It's part of what I see in this clip. (It's funny when I hear coaches say a struggling player is dipping or dropping the back shoulder. I see it all the time in great swings)

Form my personal experience working with my dd (I'm not an instructor), too much emphasis on the shoulders was not a good thing.
 
May 12, 2016
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I would love to hear what your experience was either here on the forum or in a PM

I found that emphasizing her shoulders took her hands out of the equation.. I believe some people on here referred to it as dead hands. Not saying we don't talk about the shoulders, but we've focusing on the hands more lately and I see improvement.
 
Sep 17, 2009
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Lots more going on than forced elbow slotting. Lag is a real thing.
That wasn't my point. TTB slots the elbow. Not vice versa. Don't make elbow slotting an intent any more than making knee drive an intent.

Lag is a function of rearward barrel turn timed with lower body driver (rear leg driver) creating separation along with proper hand usage. Lag isn't A thing it's an outcome of many things done in the right sequence and with the right feel.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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That wasn't my point. TTB slots the elbow. Not vice versa. Don't make elbow slotting an intent any more than making knee drive an intent.

Lag is a function of rearward barrel turn timed with lower body driver (rear leg driver) creating separation along with proper hand usage. Lag isn't A thing it's an outcome of many things done in the right sequence and with the right feel.

Good points. I will add that 'lag' is also a function of muscle tension levels.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Can you please explain?

Quick summary ... excessive early tension in the upper body is a swing poison.

Example ... the shoulders should be relatively loose prior to 'swing launch'. At 'swing launch' the swing tension in the rear should is akin to losing an arm wrestling match ... the result being shoulder retraction occurring at 'swing launch'. Hence 'lag'.
 
Oct 10, 2011
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To me slotting of the elbow is a result of loading the barrel, and fighting to not swing, and keeping the barrel up, until you turn the barrel. This part of the swing, barrel load , is very dynamic and is virtually non existent(very short) in some swings, such as a home run derby.

Unless you are saying that "turning the barrel" is the whole of barrel movement. Would be interesting to break down the green bat path into the things that are making it happen.

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