How does Stanton do it?

FiveFrameSwing · Aug 11, 2018

Mudders Brudder said:
When we say, "forward yet back" (which I wholeheartedly agree with)...what is it that's "back", and what is that "back" in reference to wrt the body, plate, batter's box, or whatever?

I know what I believe it to be, but I also believe that that's the reason I use "one-legged" over (vs.) "two-legged". I'll just leave it at that for now, so as not to influence any of the responses to the question.

Thanks,
MB

IMO a powerful setup for a "well timed" and "powerful swing" is to "forward-by-coil" ... or to "go forward, yet back". A forward movement while the rear leg is still loading ... "forward, yet back".

Jim Dixon attempted to describe "forward, yet back", or "forward-by-coiling" as ... "The hips go forward, but the shoulders stay back".

Keep in mind that Dixon specified that "The back leg must be in a rigid – supporting mode" and that "the legs are braces for the torso to work on".

Shawn · Aug 11, 2018

What is back is the body, it is (starting with the lowerbody) still coiled at toe touch. The coil/weight is still back at toe touch, the body is out in front of the back leg.

rdbass · Aug 11, 2018

When we say, "forward yet back" (which I wholeheartedly agree with)...what is it that's "back"

Weight...

what is that "back" in reference to wrt the body, plate, batter's box, or whatever?

Scap, spine, back 'area'....
If I was to guess.....

FP26 · Aug 11, 2018

Mudders Brudder said:
When we say, "forward yet back" (which I wholeheartedly agree with)...what is it that's "back", and what is that "back" in reference to wrt the body, plate, batter's box, or whatever?

I know what I believe it to be, but I also believe that that's the reason I use "one-legged" over (vs.) "two-legged". I'll just leave it at that for now, so as not to influence any of the responses to the question.

Thanks,
MB

In my opinion, the bold above is where the focus should be. How do we accomplish this while maintaining dynamic balance and be 'on time' with the pitched ball? (Rhetorical question). If one-legged or two-legged helps people visualize the process, more power to you. I went down that road in the past and have no desire to go down it again.

Mudders Brudder · Aug 11, 2018

rdbass said:
Weight...

Scap, spine, back 'area'....
If I was to guess.....

Ding, ding, ding....

Yes, the "weight" (relatively speaking) is what is still "back"....and yes also, if we're using something that it is "back in reference to", well then the spine, back is fine (not so sure about scap) or even the COM in relation to both legs might/can work as well.

But either way, I think it's easy to say that it's not "balanced" over both legs at that point (or we wouldn't be saying it's "back"), and the reason I believe it's an easier reference that it's "back" over the rear leg, and thus "one-legged" over the "two-legged" concept/teaching...at that point in the swing.

Now that's not saying that "two-legs" aren't ever used in the swing, but again...IMO...when we're talking about or trying to teach the proper, important weight maintenance, transfer, and shift in the swing process...I just find it easier talking/teaching "one-legged" over "two-legged" to players, and having them focus their attention to maintaining that "forward yet back" over the one/rear-leg over trying to explain them trying to use two-legs to do it.

Again just my personal preference, and not saying that's the only way to do it...just the way I teach it from personal experience having tried both, and what I found my players respond to better, more effectively, and much more quickly.

FP26 · Aug 11, 2018

Here's where some of this stuff can get confusing, and why I choose to avoid the 1-legged vs 2-legged stuff. And I am not disagreeing with MB's post.
In fact, I like a lot that is listed there.

When looking at Bonds, a few things jump out to me immediately. First of all, the fact that his head stays especially quiet. There is very little forward movement with his head. Less than most hitters in fact. However, his midsection moves more towards the pitcher than his head does. In fact, at the moment of swing launch, his head seems to be a little behind his belly button (Behind meaning towards the catcher).

rdbass said:

When comparing this to Donaldson, there are some noticeable differences. Donaldson obviously has a much bigger stride. He also moves his head far more than Bonds does. However, it still appears that his head is slightly behind his belly button.

Miggy is different yet. In fact, his head seems more stacked instead of behind his belly button like the others. Three very good hitters, with three very different styles.

Even with the differences, in my opinion, all 3 of these hitters are 'forward yet back'. And all three are swinging to 'get behind the ball'. Depending on what definition you use, you could call each of them one-legged, if you want to. In any event, the most important aspects of what I would consider good mechanics are here in all three hitters. Yet, visually, they are very different.

TDS · Aug 11, 2018

FP26 said:
Here's where some of this stuff can get confusing, and why I choose to avoid the 1-legged vs 2-legged stuff. And I am not disagreeing with MB's post.
In fact, I like a lot that is listed there.

When looking at Bonds, a few things jump out to me immediately. First of all, the fact that his head stays especially quiet. There is very little forward movement with his head. Less than most hitters in fact. However, his midsection moves more towards the pitcher than his head does. In fact, at the moment of swing launch, his head seems to be a little behind his belly button (Behind meaning towards the catcher).

When comparing this to Donaldson, there are some noticeable differences. Donaldson obviously has a much bigger stride. He also moves his head far more than Bonds does. However, it still appears that his head is slightly behind his belly button.

Miggy is different yet. In fact, his head seems more stacked instead of behind his belly button like the others. Three very good hitters, with three very different styles.

Even with the differences, in my opinion, all 3 of these hitters are 'forward yet back'. And all three are swinging to 'get behind the ball'. Depending on what definition you use, you could call each of them one-legged, if you want to. In any event, the most important aspects of what I would consider good mechanics are here in all three hitters. Yet, visually, they are very different.

The difference is those hitters typically get into an athletic position to react vs one legger's depend on the rear leg to control the what and the when it's go time within the sequence. The front side doesn't get involved until the back side calls on it.

Does anyone think Carpenter's "hitting position" that he speaks of allows for one speed of pitch ? Carpenter is referring to getting into an athletic position to react. He is being proactive in his approach to react to any and all pitches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=KRWKmmxsK9g

Shawn · Aug 11, 2018

TDS said:
The difference is those hitters typically get into an athletic position to react vs one legger's depend on the rear leg to control the what and the when it's go time within the sequence. The front side doesn't get involved until the back side calls on it.

Does anyone think Carpenter's "hitting position" that he speaks of allows for one speed of pitch ? Carpenter is referring to getting into an athletic position to react. He is being proactive in his approach to react to any and all pitches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=KRWKmmxsK9g

I'm not clear of what your asking, allows for one speed of pitch, not sure what you mean (probably simple and I just don't understand).

FiveFrameSwing · Aug 12, 2018

TDS said:
The difference is those hitters typically get into an athletic position to react vs one legger's depend on the rear leg to control the what and the when it's go time within the sequence. The front side doesn't get involved until the back side calls on it.

Does anyone think Carpenter's "hitting position" that he speaks of allows for one speed of pitch ? Carpenter is referring to getting into an athletic position to react. He is being proactive in his approach to react to any and all pitches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=KRWKmmxsK9g

If I understand the one-legged concept correctly then the swing is reactionary ... it becomes a twitch of the torso.

TDS · Aug 12, 2018

Shawn said:
I'm not clear of what your asking, allows for one speed of pitch, not sure what you mean (probably simple and I just don't understand).

Carpenter's position allows for him to react to all pitches in his zone including off-speed.

Happ, rides the rear leg until he snaps.

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