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Apr 20, 2018
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Well isn't it more obvious?

Pitching, Pitching, Pitching!

When a 12u is basically got a couple of pitches and slight movement of course the batters are going to take full swings and tee off on some pitches.

An 18u batter facing a dominant pitcher with 4+ pitches in her bag and anywhere from 3-6+ inches of break on them most 18u batters are not taking full on swings unless they are ahead in the count and guessing fastball.

This probably has some merit.
 
May 12, 2016
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This probably has some merit.

I would say it has quite a bit of merit. I'd imagine you see a a few good rips, whiffs, and strike outs from the first few batters. Then a panicked head coach running up and down the dug out telling his hitters they need to shorten their swings and focus on making contact. :)
 
Sep 18, 2017
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Just a thought here, and nothing to lose sight of in my opinion....

In 18U late season tourneys and Nationals, many times you will have girls checking out. They have (if they are playing at a high level) already committed to a strong program, went through a long year (if HS Seniors) and want to take a breather, and lose a bit of the short term focus / fight.

I know first hand, with some local PGF Teams, a squad of 11 Seniors (already committed) and 1 Junior (next year) - they are going through the paces late year. The still highly motivated player, is going to be a Junior next year. Perhaps that could be a bit of what is happening.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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I think you see two distinct behaviors between 12U and 18U. In 12U they face relatively weak pitching and can take full swings most every time. When they make strong contact they look to the stands for the approval of the parents. Never mind that there were 2 outs with runners on 2nd and 3rd and the fly ball they crushed to left field was a can o' corn. They had a great swing and crushed it!!!! By 18U they face competent pitching and hopefully go to the plate with a plan that has nothing to do with the parents and everything to do with their team. They then execute whatever is required to get the job done be it a quarter, half, or full swing. Conversely in 18U taking a full swing and crushing a fly ball with 2 outs adn ducks on the pond is sure to get you some bench time to reflect on the error of your ways.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Just a thought here, and nothing to lose sight of in my opinion....

In 18U late season tourneys and Nationals, many times you will have girls checking out. They have (if they are playing at a high level) already committed to a strong program, went through a long year (if HS Seniors) and want to take a breather, and lose a bit of the short term focus / fight.

I know first hand, with some local PGF Teams, a squad of 11 Seniors (already committed) and 1 Junior (next year) - they are going through the paces late year. The still highly motivated player, is going to be a Junior next year. Perhaps that could be a bit of what is happening.

Wow!!

Check-out on any club team that I've been on and you'll get an earful. Some coaches go as far as to call their future college coaches and describe bad mannerisms.

Once you have accepted an offer to play in college then you pick it up ... the attitude is that you are getting ready to play at a higher level.
 

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Would the same observation be made if 12U hitters faced 18U pitching and vice versa?

I remember my first beer...
 
Jun 8, 2016
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I think rolling hard may be rolling hard at all of the serious answers to his troll post..:rolleyes:
 
Jun 8, 2016
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I think you see two distinct behaviors between 12U and 18U. In 12U they face relatively weak pitching and can take full swings most every time. When they make strong contact they look to the stands for the approval of the parents. Never mind that there were 2 outs with runners on 2nd and 3rd and the fly ball they crushed to left field was a can o' corn. They had a great swing and crushed it!!!! By 18U they face competent pitching and hopefully go to the plate with a plan that has nothing to do with the parents and everything to do with their team. They then execute whatever is required to get the job done be it a quarter, half, or full swing. Conversely in 18U taking a full swing and crushing a fly ball with 2 outs adn ducks on the pond is sure to get you some bench time to reflect on the error of your ways.

Please tell me this master plan an 18U (non-slapper) would have with 2 outs and runners at second and third that doesn't involve trying to hit the ball as hard as they can? If it were easy to hit a line drive or ground ball out of the reach of IF every time my 43 year old butt would be collecting a MLB pension right now instead of having to teach 2 courses in a few weeks :cool:
 
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Feb 17, 2014
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Please tell me this master plan an 18U (non-slapper) would have with 2 outs and runners at second and third that doesn't involve trying to hit the ball as hard as they can? If it were easy to hit a line drive or ground ball out of the reach of IF every time my 43 year old butt would be collecting a MLB pension right now instead of having to teach 2 courses in a few weeks :cool:


You could try hitting back side hard on the ground punching the ball through the IF or maybe a line drive to the gap with a quarter or half swing. The last thing you do is take a "me swing" and hit the ball so high in the sky that the left fielder can make a sammich waiting for it to come down. It is a game of chess, but some people insist on playing checkers or even tic-tac-toe. :)
 

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