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    We have all seen the gurus come and go, The Howard Carriers and the Charlie Laus of the world, Some of their instruction has been proved to be NOT SO GOOD.

    The latest guru seem to be Richard Schenck, His snap the barrel rearward and his supination are all the craze right now

    My findings:

    Rich Schenck advocates a supination of the top hand and forearm, What I found is trying to relay this info to a youth is very difficult, What they end up doing is laying the bat down and getting a much steeper angle than desired. The wrist and forearms should not supinate before adduction, The wrist I should say should not supinate.

    The top wrist should remain strong. The hitters I worked with all had a upper cut swing and I feeling of being back on their rear leg such an extreme that they felt as if they were spinning out on the rear leg. The barrel works down to the ball. But on an upward incline and contact is made as the elbow is working up to the front shoulder.

    The focus on sending the barrel rearward is causing problems also. The angle is to steep and they tend to supinate the top hand wrist which causes the barrel to flatten and get extremely long to the ball. Faster pitching up and in eats them alive when they do this.

    You should not force supination of focus on it, You should not focus on being 1 legged or focus on it,


    My findings are the rear heel is usually off the ground just before launch. Is this not a sign of the rear leg being unweighted?

    Adduction and lateral tilt are happening before supination.

    Conclusion: Focus on being 1 legged and supinating at launch is wrong.

    Launch is not supination, Supination is not launch.

    Kids that I worked with got much better results not focusing on the steep barrel..not focusing on supinating the top hand.

    We obtained better results with the feeling of staying above the ball and the wrist remaining strong and being reactive after launch.

    Not swinging down...not chopping but a feeling of taking the bat down to the ball. Not focusing on " SNAP " of the barrel rearward and swinging over the wall. The barrels simply got to steep that way!

    Possibly this works for kids over 16 Im not sure
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    Videos of hitters I work with ?

    Im not sure im going to post kids I work with on this forum.

    I simply explained what I found.

    If you disagree that's fine, Tell me how or show me how

    My point is that supination happens after adduction and tilt!

    Perhaps you can show one of yours that supinates before the rear arm adducts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Up View Post
    We have all seen the gurus come and go, The Howard Carriers and the Charlie Laus of the world, Some of their instruction has been proved to be NOT SO GOOD.

    The latest guru seem to be Richard Schenck, His snap the barrel rearward and his supination are all the craze right now

    My findings:

    Rich Schenck advocates a supination of the top hand and forearm, What I found is trying to relay this info to a youth is very difficult, What they end up doing is laying the bat down and getting a much steeper angle than desired. The wrist and forearms should not supinate before adduction, The wrist I should say should not supinate.

    The top wrist should remain strong. The hitters I worked with all had a upper cut swing and I feeling of being back on their rear leg such an extreme that they felt as if they were spinning out on the rear leg. The barrel works down to the ball. But on an upward incline and contact is made as the elbow is working up to the front shoulder.

    The focus on sending the barrel rearward is causing problems also. The angle is to steep and they tend to supinate the top hand wrist which causes the barrel to flatten and get extremely long to the ball. Faster pitching up and in eats them alive when they do this.

    You should not force supination of focus on it, You should not focus on being 1 legged or focus on it,


    My findings are the rear heel is usually off the ground just before launch. Is this not a sign of the rear leg being unweighted?

    Adduction and lateral tilt are happening before supination.

    Conclusion: Focus on being 1 legged and supinating at launch is wrong.

    Launch is not supination, Supination is not launch.

    Kids that I worked with got much better results not focusing on the steep barrel..not focusing on supinating the top hand.

    We obtained better results with the feeling of staying above the ball and the wrist remaining strong and being reactive after launch.

    Not swinging down...not chopping but a feeling of taking the bat down to the ball. Not focusing on " SNAP " of the barrel rearward and swinging over the wall. The barrels simply got to steep that way!

    Possibly this works for kids over 16 Im not sure
    What do you mean by the wrist remaining strong? Where in the swing do you advocate this?

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    Explain to me how supination can have already occurred, when the bat is still up by the shoulder, in line w the rear arm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    What do you mean by the wrist remaining strong? Where in the swing do you advocate this?

    After adduction

    After Tilt

    At launch

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Up View Post
    After adduction

    After Tilt

    At launch
    Just so I get this correct ...

    You advocate a "strong wrist" after adduction, after tilt, and at swing launch.

    So the 'strong wrist' begins at swing launch. How far into the swing does the wrist remain strong?

    What do you mean by a 'strong wrist'? That it is stiff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    Just so I get this correct ...

    You advocate a "strong wrist" after adduction, after tilt, and at swing launch.

    So the 'strong wrist' begins at swing launch. How far into the swing does the wrist remain strong?

    What do you mean by a 'strong wrist'? That it is stiff?
    yes...Supination is after/at launch

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    not rear legged

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    the top hand supinates late

    I think you are not understanding the point im making about swinging up

    The barrel will work up! But you do swing down!

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    I do not teach to swing down on the ball...Down as in chopping down

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