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julray said:

This is a good baseball swing.. pitch same location

But still the swing has a upward path because the ball still has a downward plane. Would this swing been more applicable in the video I posted, yes.. But still it would not of been the best angle. Why? Because even at this height in baseball it's still traveling downwards. 99.9% of the pitches in baseball are traveling downhill. It's not the same case for Fastpitch.. In regard to Hugo, great athlete and a fastpitch player. I'd imagine her shoulder tilt/swing plane would adapt to the pitch.. do you have any vids of her hitting a ball on an upward/or level plane in the upper strike zone? You showed me a pic of her with a low pitch.. of course her shoulder tilt is steep, she has to go get it. I seriously doubt she's swinging up through a ball that rising at her waist with any success.

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FiveFrameSwing said:

Are you suggesting that one first view the pitch as 'dropping' or 'rising' and then swing 'up' or 'down'? Not me ... I attack from the top regardless of the pitch.

By the way ... show me a pitch of a 'rise ball' that is still 'rising' as it crosses the plate for what would be a 'called strike'. Very very very rare ... and virtually no one can reproduce such a pitch with any level of consistency.

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FiveFrameSwing said:

I view this swing as being attacked from the top ... as I view most high-end swings.

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julray said:

Get in the batters box.. have a good pitcher throw a rise ball to you, then tell me it drops 9 inches...LOL. The ball comes up on you in a hurry.. it doesn't drop. What I do disagree with is people who claim the "late rising ball". But that may be due to perception.. not technically possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga4IB9W2ZWI

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Seeing is believing.. but experiencing is a whole new ball game. Seriously, have a hardball pitcher throw you a high fastball.. then have a fastpitch pitcher throw you a riseball in the same location.

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julray said:

So you believe a rise thrown as a strike is on the same plane as a basball pitch thrown for a strike. A rise thrown for a strike will float more.. level plane. Baseball, it has to have a much steeper downward plane or it's not a strike. And yes fastball pitchers can repro this type of pitch with very good accuracy, low rise ball at the belt or a little higher. Screw ball can have the same trajectory as well.. and a rising curveball.

No I don't approach a baseball pitch and softball the same way.. I explained this previously

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julray said:

I don't view it that way at all.. shoulder tilts early which gets his barrel on plane with the downhill pitch high in the zone. This allows the batter get behind and through the ball. If this swing was applied to a riseball pitch, his timing would have to be perfect and intersect the ball instead of getting behind and through it.

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FiveFrameSwing said:

What you are seeing here is that the riseball levels off as it travels and flattens out.

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julray said:

So you believe a rise thrown as a strike is on the same plane as a basball pitch thrown for a strike. A rise thrown for a strike will float more.. level plane. Baseball, it has to have a much steeper downward plane or it's not a strike. And yes fastball pitchers can repro this type of pitch with very good accuracy, low rise ball at the belt or a little higher. Screw ball can have the same trajectory as well.. and a rising curveball.

No I don't approach a baseball pitch and softball the same way.. I explained this previously

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