The camera eye is skewed. They aren't at the same angle. Hard to make any claim without a consistent angle.
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The camera eye is skewed. They aren't at the same angle. Hard to make any claim without a consistent angle.
I like to think about one-legged in the context of controlling weight shift, yes, but also as the point of axis for rotation AND tilt. Girls who you might think of as two-legged often have a downward barrel path and no tilt due to not understanding/feeling how their rear leg/hip can and should work to bring the barrel on the best path to square up the ball....
FiveFrameSwing
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All of the girls I've worked with have two legs. All of the girls I've seen play this game have two legs.
It isn't just the "rear leg/hip" that "should work to bring the barrel on the best path to square up the ball".
To me, the "rear leg/hip" is part of the torso action as the main engine in the swing ...
And the main engine in a sense pulls on the hand/forearm engine that is also part of bringing the barrel forward to square up the ball.
Me too.
I didn't say "just"
I didn't say anything about an 'engine' but rather an axis point that is often lost when a hitter isn't aware that tilting happens at the rear hip rather than as a side-bend (or more typically, not at all). I do agree with a fused torso, I think we don't agree with points of emphasis on how to create it but agree it is created...
I agree with the main engine *pulling* the hand/forearm engine to the ball with the rear hlp pivot point helping to align the direction and angles
FiveFrameSwing
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Catch me up to speed with the concept of a "fused torso".
The main-engine (torso, inclusive of the rear hip), and the hand/forearm engine, largely determine height (up/down) and east/west (left/right) direction of the ball. More intensity in the main-engine will lead to more height of the exiting ball. More intensity of the hand/forearm engine will lead to less height of the exiting ball. A hand/forearm engine that releases the barrel down (hands up, barrel down) earlier in the 'swing' will send the ball to opposite field. A hand/forearm engine that releases the barrel down later in the 'swing' will send the ball to left-field for a RH hitter.
The use of the engines, used correctly, will (or should) dictate direction and height of the ball.
Hitters making adjustments should often look to their usage of their engines.
As per 'fused torso' I was referring to your line 'torso, inclusive of rear hip' meaning there's multiple body parts that make up the engine. Let's ignore fused for the moment, as that could be a separate rabbit hole....
I agree with the idea of intensity changing exit angle -- I would argue it drives greater (or in some cases any) tilt. I often tell hitters that are pounding ground balls in the cage to explode the lower half more aggressively, which then (I would argue via tilt) sucks the barrel more 'behind and through' then 'down and to' resulting in balls hitting the top of the cage. It's interesting to play with that with a hitter so they can get a better feel of how to control bat bath on the 'up/down' plane.
I only partially agree with 'a hand/forearm engine that releases the barrel down' etc. etc. I do agree the handset pivots or swivels to create some barrel path angles but that tilt at the rear hip also helps set direction and path. When fooled, a hitter will also 'let out' their arms to reach a curve or change-up that is moving out of their original bat path.
I agree with the idea of intensity changing exit angle -- I would argue it drives greater (or in some cases any) tilt. I often tell hitters that are pounding ground balls in the cage to explode the lower half more aggressively, which then (I would argue via tilt) sucks the barrel more 'behind and through' then 'down and to' resulting in balls hitting the top of the cage. It's interesting to play with that with a hitter so they can get a better feel of how to control bat bath on the 'up/down' plane.
I only partially agree with 'a hand/forearm engine that releases the barrel down' etc. etc. I do agree the handset pivots or swivels to create some barrel path angles but that tilt at the rear hip also helps set direction and path. When fooled, a hitter will also 'let out' their arms to reach a curve or change-up that is moving out of their original bat path.
FiveFrameSwing
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If at some time you wish to discuss what is being 'fused' in the concept of a 'fused torso', then I'd welcome the discussion.
For me, a hitter that is driving balls repeatedly into the ground is instructed to put more intensity into the start of their main-engine (torso-engine). This 'twitch-like' action will have the torso causing the lead shoulder to lift upwards relative to the rear shoulder. In a sense, the lead arm is being pulled. In a sense the lead arm is being used more. In a sense the lead arm is being inspired to behave as a 'swinger'. The faster this 'twitch-like' action, the more lift one will tend to get on the ball.
So is there 'tilt'? You betcha there is tilt. That's a result of the main-engine.
The letting out of the arms would be a longer discussion than I have time for at the moment, and would discuss the independent roles of the lead-arm and rear-arm. From my perspective the two-engines combine to determine both 'height' and 'direction' of the ball.
Explain your oppo field comment in more detail if you can
What are you guys meaning when you say release the barrel
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I agree. In my opinion, somebody who is too much "two legged" is somebody who is hitting all pitches as if they have been fooled
by an off speed pitch, not to the same degree obviously, but the same feel.
My DD has yet to figure out how she needs to adjust her tempo/move out for slower pitching,
it is the same for all speeds, and hence she becomes too "two legged" for slower pitching as she shifts and then swings.
The result for her, because her barrel path is too flat to begin with due to her early leveling, is a steep bat path resulting
in lots of popups/ground balls.
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By steep I meant negative attack angle e.g. swinging down. It is still relatively flat though...I guess I should have used the word steeper
vs. steep
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