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Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
2 legged hitting is where both legs are used equally to turn the body. Creates rotation/spinning, back leg/hip turns and at the same time the front leg works on the front hip. There is rotation taking place as the legs turn/push on the body.

What is you definition of a 2 legged swing? Since you know so much more then the rest of us.

Like FP26, I don't speak to my hitters of "one-legged" versus "two-legged" hitting. The truth is that both legs are involved in the swing. To speak of "two-legged" swings as being negative, due to the use of "two legs", hides the real issue that folks appear to be complaining about. IMO folks would be better off speaking of the real concerns. The fact is that the front leg is used in the swing.
 
Oct 2, 2015
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2 legged swing,

giphy.gif

Oh I know I'm gonna get made fun of for this...

But this swing looks like a border line "Squish the Bug" Swing from the 1980's.

I'm calling this GIF the "No Legged Swing"...there's not forward stride, no rear leg pushing forward, and no front leg causing rotational twist....the rear leg is making everything move in this swing.
That front foot is only moving because the twisting/collapsing motion of the rear leg and the hips is forcing it to move.
The front foot is basically locked up after that first subtle movement....
This train has the engine and the caboose backwards
 
Apr 11, 2015
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There are several different definitions for 2 legged and 1 legged swings. Personally, I no longer use either term.
Like FP26, I don't speak to my hitters of "one-legged" versus "two-legged" hitting. The truth is that both legs are involved in the swing. To speak of "two-legged" swings as being negative, due to the use of "two legs", hides the real issue that folks appear to be complaining about. IMO folks would be better off speaking of the real concerns. The fact is that the front leg is used in the swing.
Agree with both. Unfortunately, one and two leg hitting was for some reason taken literally, instead of simply the understanding of the weight shift/control, and obvious usage (but difference) of both legs in the process.

In the initial Ordonez non-game clip shown, Magglio uses his front leg to "stride" in the same way he would to walk ("two-legged), and thus transfers his weight to his front side early, and before he starts swinging/launching the bat/barrel. This is all fine and well in a swing that you know what the pitch is going to be speed, and location wise (ie. HR derby), but not necessarily when you're facing in game pitching, and have to be able to adjust to what, and where the pitcher is going to throw you on any given pitch.

Take a look at the difference in weight transfer/control in these two frame of as close to the same point I could find in Mag's swing.....
EeeNvIu.png
R8rQxSt.png

....notice how as TDS says, he "shifted his weight across his pelvic girdle" on the left one since he knows what's coming vs how in the right he's still "back" or "stacked" with his weight still on his "rear leg"/"backside". Hence, "two-legged" in the left pic, and "one/rear-legged" in the right (even though yes, he has more weight pushing "into" his lead leg if we had weight scales under each foot in that right pic as well, but his weight/COM is still on/over his "backside")

Now is he using "two legs" in both? Of course, but hopefully you're able to see why in one his weight in greater on his one/rear leg, compared to how it's shifted over both/two legs in the other. That's basically the difference in thoughts/terminology of a "two-legged" hitter on the left, and a "one-legged" hitter on the right. At least how I look at the terms when presented to me anyway.

PS. Yes, I know they're two different camera angles, but if one can't see, imagine, or "feel" the weight distribution differences in those to pics....well then I can't help you (no one in particular), and I'm not about to start arguing with anyone if they just wish to argue to argue (you win, how's that?). That is all. =)
 
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Jul 16, 2013
4,659
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Pennsylvania
Agree with both. Unfortunately, one and two leg hitting was for some reason taken literally, instead of simply the understanding of the weight shift/control, and obvious usage (but difference) of both legs in the process.

In the initial Ordonez non-game clip shown, Magglio uses his front leg to "stride" in the same way he would to walk ("two-legged), and thus transfers his weight to his front side early, and before he starts swinging/launching the bat/barrel. This is all fine and well in a swing that you know what the pitch is going to be speed, and location wise (ie. HR derby), but not necessarily when you're facing in game pitching, and have to be able to adjust to what, and where the pitcher is going to throw you on any given pitch.

Take a look at the difference in weight transfer/control in these two frame of as close to the same point I could find in Mag's swing.....
EeeNvIu.png
R8rQxSt.png

....notice how as TDS says, he "shifted his weight across his pelvic girdle" on the left one since he knows what's coming vs how in the right he's still "back" or "stacked" with his weight still on his "rear leg"/"backside". Hence, "two-legged" in the left pic, and "one/rear-legged" in the right (even though yes, he has more weight pushing "into" his lead leg if we had weight scales under each foot in that right pic as well, but his weight/COM is still on/over his "backside")

Now is he using "two legs" in both? Of course, but hopefully you're able to see why in one his weight in greater on his one/rear leg, compared to how it's shifted over both/two legs in the other. That's basically the difference in thoughts/terminology of a "two-legged" hitter on the left, and a "one-legged" hitter on the right. At least how I look at the terms when presented to me anyway.

PS. Yes, I know they're two different camera angles, but if one can't see, imagine, or "feel" the weight distribution differences in those to pics....well then I can't help you (no one in particular), and I'm not about to start arguing with anyone if they just wish to argue to argue (you win, how's that?). That is all. =)

To me, the 'Shift AND Swing' vs 'Shift THEN Swing' discussions always made more sense for many of the reasons MB has stated in this post.
 

rdbass

It wasn't me.
Jun 5, 2010
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Not here.
the 'Shift AND Swing' vs 'Shift THEN Swing' discussions always made more sense
I agree but, that's not how the discussion started out.
giphy.gif

I have the perfect clip of a 2 legged hitter and it is nothing like Magglio.
I believe may be 'we' all are clear now....
Now is he using "two legs" in both? Of course, but hopefully you're able to see why in one his weight in greater on his one/rear leg, compared to how it's shifted over both/two legs in the other. That's basically the difference in thoughts/terminology of a "two-legged" hitter on the left, and a "one-legged" hitter on the right. At least how I look at the terms when presented to me anyway
By the 'definition' I don't believe this example is 2 legged:
giphy.gif

Oh I know I'm gonna get made fun of for this...
Hey, that's 'saved' for me...I'm the butt of all the jokes on DFP.
 
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Jan 6, 2009
6,588
113
Chehalis, Wa
Agree with both. Unfortunately, one and two leg hitting was for some reason taken literally, instead of simply the understanding of the weight shift/control, and obvious usage (but difference) of both legs in the process.

In the initial Ordonez non-game clip shown, Magglio uses his front leg to "stride" in the same way he would to walk ("two-legged), and thus transfers his weight to his front side early, and before he starts swinging/launching the bat/barrel. This is all fine and well in a swing that you know what the pitch is going to be speed, and location wise (ie. HR derby), but not necessarily when you're facing in game pitching, and have to be able to adjust to what, and where the pitcher is going to throw you on any given pitch.

Take a look at the difference in weight transfer/control in these two frame of as close to the same point I could find in Mag's swing.....
EeeNvIu.png
R8rQxSt.png

....notice how as TDS says, he "shifted his weight across his pelvic girdle" on the left one since he knows what's coming vs how in the right he's still "back" or "stacked" with his weight still on his "rear leg"/"backside". Hence, "two-legged" in the left pic, and "one/rear-legged" in the right (even though yes, he has more weight pushing "into" his lead leg if we had weight scales under each foot in that right pic as well, but his weight/COM is still on/over his "backside")

Now is he using "two legs" in both? Of course, but hopefully you're able to see why in one his weight in greater on his one/rear leg, compared to how it's shifted over both/two legs in the other. That's basically the difference in thoughts/terminology of a "two-legged" hitter on the left, and a "one-legged" hitter on the right. At least how I look at the terms when presented to me anyway.

PS. Yes, I know they're two different camera angles, but if one can't see, imagine, or "feel" the weight distribution differences in those to pics....well then I can't help you (no one in particular), and I'm not about to start arguing with anyone if they just wish to argue to argue (you win, how's that?). That is all. =)

What I have seen and not much, is everytime there is weight shift, the hitter must be 2 legged.
 
Jan 6, 2009
6,588
113
Chehalis, Wa
Oh I know I'm gonna get made fun of for this...

But this swing looks like a border line "Squish the Bug" Swing from the 1980's.

I'm calling this GIF the "No Legged Swing"...there's not forward stride, no rear leg pushing forward, and no front leg causing rotational twist....the rear leg is making everything move in this swing.
That front foot is only moving because the twisting/collapsing motion of the rear leg and the hips is forcing it to move.
The front foot is basically locked up after that first subtle movement....
This train has the engine and the caboose backwards

It's a method, turn the body and at the same time swing. This was a HR swing BTW. Dixon first mentioned this method of swinging. The hip/legs turn the entire body as you swing at the swing time.
 
Apr 20, 2018
4,581
113
SoCal
I would say that the lines drawn on GIFs are incorrect. You have them approx. 8" apart. I would have drawn them 2"or 3" apart. The weight/COM has shifted in both.
 

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