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rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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Is this the same as saying shoulder tilt determines barrel path? (or maybe just from launch through extension)

re: BR philosophy - I've been catching up on some BR podcasts that past few days - and recently they've been emphasizing the use of the RR to help teach an athlete how to move (with the focus on the turn), more than "use this device, then do the same thing with a bat in your hand". As I understand it, their methodology is to teach the movement (progressions) first, and not move on to the actual swing until the student can correctly replicate the desired movement.

I would also say that I don't think they've changed their thinking much over the years. They were one of the first sites I discovered that discussed launch angles, and an upward swing path. Don't really see how that's changed (at least since ~2014). If anything, they've become more open with their methodology, which apparently they were very protective of until recently.

Lastly - re: hands leading the core - this may be the same thing FFS was referring to regarding first and second engines - but hands first seems to be putting the cart before the horse(power). Wouldn't the core just be playing catch-up for the rest of the swing? Doesn't that reverse the power source in the kinetic chain?

BR swing was momentum based in their earlier instructions. BR couldn't get their hitters onto their front side/foot fast enough. They've since changed that but, that was my biggest 'beef' with them at the time.
 
Sep 7, 2017
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Good luck keeping it a secret from a kid that doesn't know to use their core.

Shouldn't have to teach the core. The core reacts. Tell me or show me how you isolate the core when teaching the swing? Another NO TEACH! Over baked..over taught...useless. If an athlete can't find their core...do something else because it's not that hard. What's hard is not naturally using the core.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Shouldn't have to teach the core. The core reacts. Tell me or show me how you isolate the core when teaching the swing? Another NO TEACH! Over baked..over taught...useless. If an athlete can't find their core...do something else because it's not that hard. What's hard is not naturally using the core.

Well there you go. The D-Up approach is for many of these kids to find another activity.
 
May 24, 2013
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So Cal
Shouldn't have to teach the core. The core reacts. Tell me or show me how you isolate the core when teaching the swing? Another NO TEACH! Over baked..over taught...useless. If an athlete can't find their core...do something else because it's not that hard. What's hard is not naturally using the core.

But, yet, thousands of young players across the country pick up a bat and swing it by using primarily their arms, with little to no power contribution from their core.
 
Sep 7, 2017
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I have a kid that walks into your lane and he isn't using his core.

1. How are you identifying this.

2. What are you going to do to make him/her find his CORE? Drills? Feels?

I'm asking because I am interested.
 
May 24, 2013
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So Cal
Thats not what I said you should do!

You said that using the core is a "no teach", and that it's hard to not naturally use the core. I haven't found that to be true. Some put it together on their own, many - most, probably - do not. For those that don't, I usually start with the simple request of asking them to power the swing with the rotation of their body (get those hips turning!), rather than swinging with their arms. How they interpret and apply that instruction will dictate how things proceed from there. A lot has to do with the age and experience of the player.
 

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