Rebls rack and shoulder spin

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Jun 17, 2009
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Dang it.

Okay on my incorrect.... I think I know what you mean. Want to know for sure I am on same page. Help me out here.

With the rebels rack, (having never tried one), I picture the rack making it impossible to make that hammering bottom hand type motion... the hand movement that I associate with the old "knob to the ball" type cue? In other words I picture the rebels rack possibly helping some players feeling the "turn the barrel" movement?

As you study professional swings, take note that the barrel tends to go in the opposite direction of the front shoulder.

As the shoulder becomes elevated the bat head arcs downward. As the shoulder 'opens' the barrel corresponds.

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Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
Does the front shoulder become moved during the swing?

( BECOME moved by launching the barrel via the hands..YES )

Does the movement of the front shoulder result in a pulling on the handle? ( No it shouldn't go first )

Do you honestly want for the hands to 'torque' the bat handle before any contribution via the core that translates to a front-side pulling action?( I want the handle to go first and core/body to react/direct )

Just so I get your position correct .... are you suggesting that the core action occurs after hand/handle torque and that the core-action responds to this? Are you stating that the first-engine goes after the second-engine and that the first-engine responds to the second-engine?
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Chehalis, Wa
Just so I get your position correct .... are you suggesting that the core action occurs after hand/handle torque and that the core-action responds to this? Are you stating that the first-engine goes after the second-engine and that the first-engine responds to the second-engine?

That's the way I read it, he is saying the core is slaved to the hands.
 
Dec 11, 2010
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As you study professional swings, take note that the barrel tends to go in the opposite direction of the front shoulder.

As the shoulder becomes elevated the bat head arcs downward. As the shoulder 'opens' the barrel corresponds.

Griffeyxyy.gif

I sure does. And I had never thought about that before. Thank you.
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Chehalis, Wa
Please focus on the frames in which a 'red arrow' is drawn. During those frames observe the action in the core. Do you believe the 'hands' are making the core move like this? I don't believe that.

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I'm with you. I think you can believe the body is slaved to the hands, although actually achieving anything similar to Griffey is another story.

I see merit in both ways. Trying to create a swing from the ground up can be a flawed idea and open to many issues. The top down approach may demand the use of the body to support the hands in a manner that is superior to the bottom up.
 
Nov 18, 2015
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As you study professional swings, take note that the barrel tends to go in the opposite direction of the front shoulder.

As the shoulder becomes elevated the bat head arcs downward. As the shoulder 'opens' the barrel corresponds.

Is this the same as saying shoulder tilt determines barrel path? (or maybe just from launch through extension)

re: BR philosophy - I've been catching up on some BR podcasts that past few days - and recently they've been emphasizing the use of the RR to help teach an athlete how to move (with the focus on the turn), more than "use this device, then do the same thing with a bat in your hand". As I understand it, their methodology is to teach the movement (progressions) first, and not move on to the actual swing until the student can correctly replicate the desired movement.

I would also say that I don't think they've changed their thinking much over the years. They were one of the first sites I discovered that discussed launch angles, and an upward swing path. Don't really see how that's changed (at least since ~2014). If anything, they've become more open with their methodology, which apparently they were very protective of until recently.

Lastly - re: hands leading the core - this may be the same thing FFS was referring to regarding first and second engines - but hands first seems to be putting the cart before the horse(power). Wouldn't the core just be playing catch-up for the rest of the swing? Doesn't that reverse the power source in the kinetic chain?
 
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Sep 7, 2017
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Just so I get your position correct .... are you suggesting that the core action occurs after hand/handle torque and that the core-action responds to this? Are you stating that the first-engine goes after the second-engine and that the first-engine responds to the second-engine?


Launch first is the mindset.

The core may unknowingly prep me for that. Im not going to argue that point, but good luck telling a kid to start his core first and all the other mess that gets discussed.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
Launch first is the mindset.

The core may unknowingly prep me for that. Im not going to argue that point, but good luck telling a kid to start his core first and all the other mess that gets discussed.

Good luck keeping it a secret from a kid that doesn't know to use their core.
 

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