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Feb 16, 2015
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Out of curiosity, I would guess this would be done post-puberty?

Pattar,

DD also participates in seemingly similar program. She has a reassessment at the end of this week, I will ask them about your question. My DD has been in the program for 3 months now and IMHO it has been unbelievable for her development.


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Jun 8, 2016
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Pattar,

DD also participates in seemingly similar program. She has a reassessment at the end of this week, I will ask them about your question. My DD has been in the program for 3 months now and IMHO it has been unbelievable for her development.


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Thanks. I would assume that the answer would be yes after puberty since a lot of the "body angles" change after puberty :cool:.
 
IMHO that is a lot of research and focus on a small part of the pitch or swing that happens at the end of the motion(swing) There is a whole lot that happens before the glutes that if done correctly will make swing or pitch more productive. However I give you an A+ on the research and theory. It is interesting.
 
Apr 11, 2015
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Interesting topic jryan, that sometimes I think some of us take for granted (at least I did)...or never really thought (or knew) about the glute vs quad dominate movement difference, but it makes sense.

Now I'm curious though, do any of you guys trying the "test" have bad knees? I ask because I do, and as soon as I went from one to the other I knew it in my knees right away. Ouch!

I at first just squatted the way that I normally do with a coffee table in front of my knees w/o thinking of doing either method, because I just wanted to see where my knees/lower legs went, and what my upper body did w/o trying to predispose myself to one outcome over the other.

Turns out that I was "glute dominate" per the test criteria, so then tried doing it where I'd be more "quad dominate", and about 3/4 of the way down my knees let me know right away they didn't like that, and I had to stop...well maybe I didn't actually have to stop, but did anyway because I'm old, and things have a tendency to snap, crackle, and pop more nowadays in my surgically repaired knee, and no sense in pushing my luck was my thought initially.

So while I understand that most of the time "quad dominate" athletes are not going to be squatting to their full ROM close to 90[SUP]o[/SUP] or more, I can't help but wonder if some of the knee injury related stuff we see in some athletes more so than in others...might not be related to the "quad dominate" athlete vs. a possible less knee injury prone "glute dominate" one.

Just my anecdotal findings with a single (and rather old, and painful) sample set, and why I'm curious if anyone else felt the same thing(s) in their knees that I did when trying the two different methods...or if it was just "old geezer syndrome" doing/trying something more than I should have w/o stretching or warming up first? :confused: :)
 
Feb 16, 2015
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South East
Interesting topic jryan, that sometimes I think some of us take for granted (at least I did)...or never really thought (or knew) about the glute vs quad dominate movement difference, but it makes sense.

Now I'm curious though, do any of you guys trying the "test" have bad knees? I ask because I do, and as soon as I went from one to the other I knew it in my knees right away. Ouch!

I at first just squatted the way that I normally do with a coffee table in front of my knees w/o thinking of doing either method, because I just wanted to see where my knees/lower legs went, and what my upper body did w/o trying to predispose myself to one outcome over the other.

Turns out that I was "glute dominate" per the test criteria, so then tried doing it where I'd be more "quad dominate", and about 3/4 of the way down my knees let me know right away they didn't like that, and I had to stop...well maybe I didn't actually have to stop, but did anyway because I'm old, and things have a tendency to snap, crackle, and pop more nowadays in my surgically repaired knee, and no sense in pushing my luck was my thought initially.

So while I understand that most of the time "quad dominate" athletes are not going to be squatting to their full ROM close to 90[SUP]o[/SUP] or more, I can't help but wonder if some of the knee injury related stuff we see in some athletes more so than in others...might not be related to the "quad dominate" athlete vs. a possible less knee injury prone "glute dominate" one.

Just my anecdotal findings with a single (and rather old, and painful) sample set, and why I'm curious if anyone else felt the same thing(s) in their knees that I did when trying the two different methods...or if it was just "old geezer syndrome" doing/trying something more than I should have w/o stretching or warming up first? :confused: :)

J can answer your questions about the test better than I could but I will throw my $.02 in on your knees hurting.

To me your knees started to hurt because you purposely reduced your ankle & hip mobility to achieve the desired outcome. You may be glute dominant because you have better mobility in your hips/ankles than others. A lot of people truly lack the mobility in the two joints to complete a text book squat or other simple movements for that matter.

Studies have shown a lot of knee injuries are a direct result of insufficient mobility of the hip & ankle joints. The knees take the burden due to this.

So right now for me the question that I want to try and find out is if people are one or the other because of mobility.

Ever since the MLB started dumping a ton of money into Tommy John injuries there really wasn’t much research regarding the matter. They have come to the conclusion that heart of the problem starts with the lack of mobility of the joints, starting at the ankles and working upwards.


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Jun 8, 2016
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Interesting topic jryan, that sometimes I think some of us take for granted (at least I did)...or never really thought (or knew) about the glute vs quad dominate movement difference, but it makes sense.

Now I'm curious though, do any of you guys trying the "test" have bad knees? I ask because I do, and as soon as I went from one to the other I knew it in my knees right away. Ouch!

I at first just squatted the way that I normally do with a coffee table in front of my knees w/o thinking of doing either method, because I just wanted to see where my knees/lower legs went, and what my upper body did w/o trying to predispose myself to one outcome over the other.

Turns out that I was "glute dominate" per the test criteria, so then tried doing it where I'd be more "quad dominate", and about 3/4 of the way down my knees let me know right away they didn't like that, and I had to stop...well maybe I didn't actually have to stop, but did anyway because I'm old, and things have a tendency to snap, crackle, and pop more nowadays in my surgically repaired knee, and no sense in pushing my luck was my thought initially.

So while I understand that most of the time "quad dominate" athletes are not going to be squatting to their full ROM close to 90[SUP]o[/SUP] or more, I can't help but wonder if some of the knee injury related stuff we see in some athletes more so than in others...might not be related to the "quad dominate" athlete vs. a possible less knee injury prone "glute dominate" one.

Just my anecdotal findings with a single (and rather old, and painful) sample set, and why I'm curious if anyone else felt the same thing(s) in their knees that I did when trying the two different methods...or if it was just "old geezer syndrome" doing/trying something more than I should have w/o stretching or warming up first? :confused: :)

Probably just too old :cool: In all seriousness squatting where you break at the hips first and then sit back results in a squatting motion which is better for the knees. Ankle mobility also effects the ability to perform a squatting (loaded or unloaded) motion effectively.

I coached 9U basketball this past winter and you would be surprised how many 8 and 9 year old girls didn't know how to jump..like literally my 3 year old son had a higher vertical then they did.
I had to show them how to...I was dumbfounded.
 
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Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
Good and bad.

I'll start with the bad
We started really late, into sophomore year. The training process requires some level of additional running and sprinting work. For sprinters and basketball players, they get this out of their day to day practices, but for softball players, not so much running/sprinting. This means that we need to pull in extra practices and it has just been overwhelming. HS and travel practices were going 6 days a week, plus a pitching and a hitting work-outs each week, there just isn't hardly enough time to add in more workouts. When she was younger, 10 to 14u, we were doing all kinds of extra workouts from the drive mechanics thread, but after 16u, it just gets so busy.

Also injuries have hurt us. I documented some of it in this thread (link).

DD and I have been in a constant state of change since 2nd 12u (1st year of TB). We learned IR mechanics and spent an insane amount of time on drive mechanics. We found HI for hitting and spent a ton of time working on new hitting concepts. We've basically been in a rebuilding phase for 5 years, and DD is just running out of bandwidth for more new things. Her path has been very difficult. She's one of the kids who should have washed out a year or two ago. She was going to quit pitching at 16u, but got pulled back in to help her TB team. Through a lot of hard work and inspite of quad dominance, she's improved to be a contributing pitcher on varsity. All of this has come at a cost of time. I don't know a kid around who has logged more practice hours than her. HA came at a rough time to do more workouts.

Ok, the good
The good is the obvious improvement in jogging mechanics. Her feet still breakdown in sprinting and they still don't hold up in a full pitching drive mechanic.

When doing a run through with HA active, this has been the only time in her life, that she was able to get off the rubber by 3 o'clock.
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Now that she is able to activate her feet and get a forward posture in her hitting stance, her glute is more responsive. In the last couple months, we are starting to actually see thoracic extension in her swing which is a direct result of functional glutes.
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Regarding the swing ... the core usage is being largely bypassed.

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Jan 6, 2009
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Chehalis, Wa
Jryan15,

Thanks, My niece went from being a rec player to setting the era record at varsity. If only we had more time and if I knew back then what I know now. It's unrealistic to do everything necessary to be a good athlete.
 
Mar 23, 2011
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Noblseville, IN
IMHO that is a lot of research and focus on a small part of the pitch or swing that happens at the end of the motion(swing) There is a whole lot that happens before the glutes that if done correctly will make swing or pitch more productive. However I give you an A+ on the research and theory. It is interesting.

The impact of the glute issue is MASSIVE. This is no small part, guess what happens when these two athletes race from home to first...

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