Fixing a Segmented Swing and a flat lead elbow...?'s

Hips clear before hands. Always.


[video]https://youtu.be/DzJms7RW02A?t=158[/video]

The hands have already fired by the time the rear hip starts to extend..... that is because the hip/hips are reactive..... when someone has the thought process of firing the hips first you get what the OP is suggesting.... the only thing that a hitter can do with that kind of stretch is unwind swinging around the body and so on. I have been down that road concentrating on the hips firing is a dead end.... The hips GET FIRED.


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Hips cant get fired. Not anymore than the hands can get fired. Both are an active movement.

Pulling balls foul has nothing to do with hip rotation. Nothing at all. Pulling balls foul is a hand path problem. The hands get ahead of the hips and the result is a pulled foul ball.

Hitting inside the ball and pushing the ball to the opposite side is the hands getting too far behind the hips. If you want to teach that go right ahead. It would be nice to at least know what your teaching.

gibraltor said:

Pulling balls foul has nothing to do with hip rotation. Nothing at all. Pulling balls foul is a hand path problem. The hands get ahead of the hips and the result is a pulled foul ball.

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gibraltor said:

Hitting inside the ball and pushing the ball to the opposite side is the hands getting too far behind the hips. If you want to teach that go right ahead. It would be nice to at least know what your teaching.

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Great job of trying to derail another thread Gib.......

Did you not bring up the hips and the hands talk? Did you not say hips are reactive and they get fired? You saying I derailed it because I question what you teach?

I understand the hips and the hands in the swing. Do you? If you answer yes I have some questions for you. We can discuss.

Signing off for now. Ill be around in the morning to discuss this if you want.

slugger3 said:

ian, yes..but maybe a little flatter and farther behind


OK, next question.
Lead elbow hinge angle.
I know there is a huge range of variability due to personal preference, but is there/should there be a minimum and or maximum that the hinge angle should be at teh time of contact with the ball?
Just look at Donaldson's hinge angle. But with his upper body strength, he can bring his lead elbow out as his swing moves forward. therefore decreasing the hinge angle.
Or how about Griffey's hingle angle what looks like 130-150*.

Is it different with boys vs. girls, due to upper body mass and strength?

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Probably early top hand ulnar deviation. Top hand supination should help. Tough to GI joe waist with top hand supination. Tough to say fo sho with no video.

Lead elbow angle can/will vary with pitch location.

Seen too many girls who swing the bat better than boys to think 'it' is gender specific.

DRDRODD said:

The hands have already fired by the time the rear hip starts to extend..... that is because the hip/hips are reactive..... when someone has the thought process of firing the hips first you get what the OP is suggesting.... the only thing that a hitter can do with that kind of stretch is unwind swinging around the body and so on. I have been down that road concentrating on the hips firing is a dead end.... The hips GET FIRED.

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Wait, what?

This might be one of those semantics issues in a hitting thread, but I'm way confused by this.

What do you mean by the hands "fire" first? And what do you mean by the hip extending? In those Griffey GIFs, the rear leg turns the hip first. The hands are still back (his barely even move, just a little up/back). You can see a massive amount of stretch in his jersey.

Or maybe you know all this and I just completely misunderstood what you're trying to say. That happens to me a lot in the hitting threads. I feel like almost everybody describes the same thing differently, which leads to disagreements that aren't really disagreements.