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rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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Not here.
I've also had hitters that use the "poke your elbow behind you" type cue too literally. If you overbake that the only way to get out of that position is to push out of it
With the rear leg apply IR pressure at the same time and you had hitters 'push out of it'. Wow, I guess if a hitter 'over bakes' anything incorrectly anything is possible.
 
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ian

Jun 11, 2015
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I've also had hitters that use the "poke your elbow behind you" type cue too literally. If you overbake that the only way to get out of that position is to push out of it. Try it. You can elbow poke "wrong" especially if you don't simultaneously "clamp" the scap -- if that makes sense lol.

I like to use the cue 'hide your hands from the pitcher'
 
Sep 1, 2014
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I like to use the cue 'hide your hands from the pitcher'

I like that cue too. I will try it with my 12 year old. I have been telling to pull her scap back like pulling back a bow. But this accomplished the same without the technical jargon. The interesting thing is then the hip turns, creating direction with the back knee and the back elbow slots and the bat gets on plane without any thought of turning a barrel-it just happens.
 
Mar 13, 2015
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Omaha, Ne
Just have her watch tons and tons of GIFs. Scap load was a fad and now it's 1 legged hitting and turn the barrel. All are very good but you have to pick what verbiage you want to hear.

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May 3, 2014
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Sorry M8.. but why is this the only thing you say? I'm not challenging you, I just don't understand how turning the barrel is a fix all for everything.

I can this with absolute honesty no BS: When I am working with hitters and they start to turn the barrel with just the hands and forearms instead of turning their shoulders to do it the swing plane and contact improve dramatically. It is the absolute starting point. To focus on anything is a waste of time and just extends the time it will take to rid a player of using the upper body to power the swing.

Your body will start supporting what your hands/forearms are trying to do and it will make less and less sense to swing around the spine and/or front leg. The swing will start to develop around the rear leg after the barrel is turned by the hands and forearms.
 
May 12, 2016
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I can this with absolute honesty no BS: When I am working with hitters and they start to turn the barrel with just the hands and forearms instead of turning their shoulders to do it the swing plane and contact improve dramatically. It is the absolute starting point. To focus on anything is a waste of time and just extends the time it will take to rid a player of using the upper body to power the swing.

Your body will start supporting what your hands/forearms are trying to do and it will make less and less sense to swing around the spine and/or front leg. The swing will start to develop around the rear leg after the barrel is turned by the hands and forearms.

Thanks for replying. I have a strong, athletic DD who has tons of bat speed, but she is not very coordinated. I tried the "turn the barrel" last year in the preseason and she ended up having her worse year at the plate yet. I tried several drills with a bat and without a bat(broomstick, turning the barrel to hit the floor behind her). I watched all kinds of videos, listened to everybodies advice and implemented it in our training. I think I may of made things too complex. I need a simple drill with specifics so I know I am not misleading/misteaching her how to do this. In previous years she was one of the strongest if not the strongest hitters on the team. After teaching her to turn the barrel last year I cannot get her swing back to where it was... So now I guess I have to continue teaching turning the barrel. As you can tell I am a little skeptic and hesitant about this method, I'd imagine my DD is as well and rightfully so based on results. How can I integrate this in our training without her really having to think about or concentrate on turning the barrel.

One other thing.. when attempting to do this last year I found she was under everything. Almost like she was thinking turning the barrel too literal and it would end up being a steep angle (90 degree ferris wheel) that she could not recover from. And her back knee just started collapsing which also added to getting under everything
 
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2br02b

Trabant swing
Jul 25, 2017
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Thanks for replying. I have a strong, athletic DD who has tons of bat speed, but she is not very coordinated. I tried the "turn the barrel" last year in the preseason and she ended up having her worse year at the plate yet. I tried several drills with a bat and without a bat(broomstick, turning the barrel to hit the floor behind her). I watched all kinds of videos, listened to everybodies advice and implemented it in our training. I think I may of made things too complex. I need a simple drill with specifics so I know I am not misleading/misteaching her how to do this. In previous years she was one of the strongest if not the strongest hitters on the team. After teaching her to turn the barrel last year I cannot get her swing back to where it was... So now I guess I have to continue teaching turning the barrel. As you can tell I am a little skeptic and hesitant about this method, I'd imagine my DD is as well and rightfully so based on results. How can I integrate this in our training without her really having to think about or concentrate on turning the barrel.

One other thing.. when attempting to do this last year I found she was under everything. Almost like she was thinking turning the barrel too literal and it would end up being a steep angle (90 degree ferris wheel) that she could not recover from. And her back knee just started collapsing which also added to getting under everything

There could be another factor here - maybe the pitching caught up to her last season. Our biggest hitter (2 seasons ago) was almost invisible against better pitching last year, as she swings DBSF and really only can hit slower pitches or mistakes...
 
May 12, 2016
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There could be another factor here - maybe the pitching caught up to her last season. Our biggest hitter (2 seasons ago) was almost invisible against better pitching last year, as she swings DBSF and really only can hit slower pitches or mistakes...

I know that's always a possibility.. but in this case it wasn't a factor. I use to pitch windmill, so I pitch to my daughter each year. My pitching didn't get better or worse. I could see her struggling in our practice sessions, even off the tee it wasn't the same. Also In Canada at the 12u level the ladies pitch from 35 feet with a 11 inch ball.. last year she moved up to 14u where the distance is 38 feet with a 12 inch ball.. pitching stayed the same if not worse because the girls had to adjust. Anyway, I don't want this to be a discussion about what went wrong last year. If my DD is going to turn the barrel, I need the simplest way of getting her on track without over complicating things like I did last year. I heard starting the bat in the neck slot is the best way of doing this... I think I need a little more though. A hitter can still turn the barrel with their shoulders in this position
 

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