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Thread: Ferris wheel or merry go round?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    Sorry CB, don't have Jim's demo handy.

    In the video above there is a conclusion of the 'ferris wheel' and 'merry-go-round' with a dry swing that has a look of starting as a 'ferris wheel' and finishing as a 'merry-go-round'.
    Yes this is my thoughts as well. It is a combination of the two. I guess you could be two much one way or the other.
    "It is hard to fill a cup that is already full"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
    Tilt-a-whirl.

    I see the barrel getting parallel with the line of the shoulders, but the angle of that line tilts depending on pitch location.
    I agree with you. There is a relationship between the spine angle/shoulders and the swing. I think this swing (Bonds) shows that the swing is a combination of both the ferris wheel and merry go round.
    "It is hard to fill a cup that is already full"

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    When Rich talks about the Ferris wheel he is not talking about how vertical the bat path is. It may lead to a more vertical swing on certain pitches, but the Ferris wheel isn’t a reference to the bat path....

    The Ferris wheel is being one legged. Tilting, launching rearward from the barstool.

    The Ferris wheel is the top gear. The rear leg is turning towards the pitcher (bottom gear). The torso is laterally tilting (top gear, Ferris wheel). The top gear is getting sucked into the turning bottom gear.

    Here is a side by side of a Merry-go-round vs Ferris wheel.


    Hips rotating (merry go round) vs Hip slipping behind the femur, rear leg turning the hip assembly forward
    Swinging around vs Swinging out from
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    Ferris wheel............................................. .........................Merry-go-round
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    https://www.discussfastpitch.com/sof...tml#post451519

    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    Learn to use the "main engine". Some refer to this as the "hips", but it is much more than that and includes the core/torso.



    It can be thought of as gears ... e.g., two orthogonal spoke wheels that mesh.



    Here's a view of a left-handed batter ...


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    Spartans, the swing you posted as an example of merry go round is not close to what I teach.
    My opinions here are simply that, My Opinions. I'm an ex expert. I no longer care to have to be right.

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    Spartan and 5frames,

    Thanks for your clear and simple posts. I learned something.
    "It is hard to fill a cup that is already full"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Yes this is what I always thought. Although I'm questioning how exactly the torso is used. We all know what Dixon came up with and Sr came to the conclusion that his early work was wrong.
    Shawn, exactly what did Jim Dixon Sr conclude about his earlier work that was incorrect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    Shawn, exactly what did Jim Dixon Sr conclude about his earlier work that was incorrect?
    He said it was wrong. Nothing specific.
    "It is hard to fill a cup that is already full"

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    Epstein has a "tilt" action in his teaching. It involves the arms, specifically the lead arm. Let me look at his info again. And I'll be back.
    "It is hard to fill a cup that is already full"

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    Mike Epstein believed that hitters that were serious about getting to the next level needed to learn mechanics that allowed them to "tilt" their bodies.

    You'll find Epstein speaking of "tilt" throughout his book ... "Mike Epstein on Hitting".

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