- May 3, 2014
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Quick is short and vice versa. Has nothing to do with hand path.
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Quick is short and vice versa. Has nothing to do with hand path.
- Jun 8, 2016
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So you are saying that turning the barrel immediately about a rear leg axis gives the shortest possible barrel to ball path. Note that shortest does not necessarily have to mean least amount of time or
maximum acceleration at impact. I agree about hand path but don't think that short is necessarily a good way to describe a HL swing.
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I think that's a good point. Watch a hand path demonstration on most any video on YouTube and you will see a barrel that is also being pushed or pulled on a straight line versus any kind of semicircular path.
FFS, when you say "generally", is it fair for me to assume that's with the caveat of pitch location?
Warning, tangent: Not that you care but I always get a kick out of the "vee" thing. I was more of a lurker when you made the rounds with this detail versus the Carrier/ Bustos folks. I had actually been to a clinic with Carrier and Bustos back in 2011? I always thought your vee and his stack were quite similar. Had no idea the degree to which long time hitting guys would argue.
I think of quick and short as synergistic though not synonymous, so I think I understand why you say that. I think a hitter, especially one learning, could for example, turn the barrel and still be lazy with the rear leg axis as you put it, and be less quick.
I'm not quite sure why you say hand path has nothing to do with it, though. You've probably seen a young one extend their arms and swing a bat with a big loopy motion like they're following the bottom half of a circle. So I think of hand path among other issues. Do you say that because you don't want a hitter focusing on pushing or pulling the hands or knob versus turning the barrel? Do you feel hand path is more of a result of the barrel turning about the rear leg/hip pivot point and or rotational/centrifugal/centripetal forces or something to that effect? Honest question, I don't say that to set you up or pretending to know any more than you.
- Jun 11, 2015
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Short swing is keeping the hands close to/orientated around the rear shoulder to contact.
FiveFrameSwing
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IMO you believe this because you believe that simply turning the barrel will give the proper hand path.
The truth is that the 'path' to the ball is a component of a good swing.
I agree with this ^^^ and would add that length created by a looping hand path which breaks down the upright-V too early (i.e. DBSF) would also fall in the category of a "long swing".
FiveFrameSwing
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There is a reason that the Howard-clan wanted all of the highlights of their 'stacked' teaching deleted here at DFP ... it was flawed ... seriously flawed ... they simply didn't want the truth to be known that what they were promoting was ill conceived.
FiveFrameSwing
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EricF ... someone suffering from a lack of 'barrel turning' is someone that, IMO, doesn't understand the 'when' and 'how' to 'level'. Likewise, virtually every swing that I've seen classified as 'dbsf' is a swing with a 'leveling issue'.
Learning how/when to 'level' ... from a good hand-set ... cures the issue.
