What is weight shift?

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May 24, 2013
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I'm with FFS that "transfer" and "shift" are synonymous for practical use in hitting instruction. I can't see a scenario where I would use those words with two different meanings in the context of a swing.
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Chehalis, Wa
In your opinion, during FbC, is there weight moving from one place to another over a small distance.

Shift: move or cause to move from one place to another, especially over a small distance.

Shifting perhaps.

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May 24, 2013
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So Cal
Shifting perhaps.

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Hmmm...Good one. This video has me reconsidering my thoughts about "shift" vs. "transfer". Maybe there is a place in the context of the swing to use each one to describe different actions.

If we are looking for a distinction between "shift" and "transfer", I would consider this clip to illustrate "shift" - the hitter's COM is shifting forward (a movement of COM in space). However, the ground reaction force is still fully in the rear foot, so the transfer has not yet started. Once the front foot is down, the transfer of ground reaction force from rear to front begins.

With those distinctions, we can see that there is pretty much always transfer in a swing, but the amount of shift will vary.

Just thinking...
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Chehalis, Wa
Hmmm...Good one. This video has me reconsidering my thoughts about "shift" vs. "transfer". Maybe there is a place in the context of the swing to use each one to describe different actions.

If we are looking for a distinction between "shift" and "transfer", I would consider this clip to illustrate "shift" - the hitter's COM is shifting forward (a movement of COM in space). However, the ground reaction force is still fully in the rear foot, so the transfer has not yet started. Once the front foot is down, the transfer of ground reaction force from rear to front begins.

With those distinctions, we can see that there is pretty much always transfer in a swing, but the amount of shift will vary.

Just thinking...

I like your thoughts.

At the end the weight is still back and the transfer is about to start. The coil is maintained.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
Hmmm...Good one. This video has me reconsidering my thoughts about "shift" vs. "transfer". Maybe there is a place in the context of the swing to use each one to describe different actions.

If we are looking for a distinction between "shift" and "transfer", I would consider this clip to illustrate "shift" - the hitter's COM is shifting forward (a movement of COM in space). However, the ground reaction force is still fully in the rear foot, so the transfer has not yet started. Once the front foot is down, the transfer of ground reaction force from rear to front begins.

With those distinctions, we can see that there is pretty much always transfer in a swing, but the amount of shift will vary.

Just thinking...

The words 'shift' and 'transfer' mean virtually the same thing.

In your above description are you speaking of "weight shift" and "weight transfer"? In your description ... what is being "shifted" ... what is being "transferred"?
 
May 24, 2013
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113
So Cal
The words 'shift' and 'transfer' mean virtually the same thing.

In your above description are you speaking of "weight shift" and "weight transfer"? In your description ... what is being "shifted" ... what is being "transferred"?

In terms of dictionary definitions, yes, "shift" and "transfer" are pretty much synonymous, but I'm rethinking my previous comments regarding the use of these words.

As I'm seeing it, weight being shifted (moved on space) and transferred (change in location of ground reaction forces) as two different processes in the context of the swing.

I'm still investigating my thoughts on this topic, but this is where my head is at the moment.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
In terms of dictionary definitions, yes, "shift" and "transfer" are pretty much synonymous, but I'm rethinking my previous comments regarding the use of these words.

As I'm seeing it, weight being shifted (moved on space) and transferred (change in location of ground reaction forces) as two different processes in the context of the swing.

I'm still investigating my thoughts on this topic, but this is where my head is at the moment.

Yes, in terms of dictionary definitions the words "shift" and "transfer" are synonyms.

In terms of the swing, a transfer of weight is the same as a shift of weight ... what is important is "how" the weight is shifted/transferred.

For example, FbC is a well understood process. During that process weight is moved ... i.e., weight is shifted, transferred ... it is the process of that transfer/shift that is important ... e.g, FbC.
 
May 24, 2013
12,461
113
So Cal
Yes, in terms of dictionary definitions the words "shift" and "transfer" are synonyms.

In terms of the swing, a transfer of weight is the same as a shift of weight ... what is important is "how" the weight is shifted/transferred.

For example, FbC is a well understood process. During that process weight is moved ... i.e., weight is shifted, transferred ... it is the process of that transfer/shift that is important ... e.g, FbC.

We seem to be in slightly different places on the use of "shift" and "transfer" in the context of aswing. No big deal. If your definitions work for you, and how you teach, it's all good.

These clips that Shawn posted was a lightbulb moment for me...
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All "shift". No "transfer".

I do agree that how things happen is the important part. Way more important than what we name them.
 

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