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May 24, 2013
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I have seen where this is only happening on the tee. Then during front toss the shoulders don't over rotate like seen in the tee clip.

Bat is wrapped to much due to the over rotated shoulders.

I've seen this, too. A ball on a tee, the hitter can over-rotate and still see the ball. With a pitched/front-tossed ball, over-rotation will make them lose sight of the ball. One approach I've used is to get them to look at an imaginary pitcher during the early part of the swing process, and track the imaginary pitch to contact.
 

ez_softball

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Apr 14, 2017
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Most everyone here focused on upper half... to me that doesn't look too bad. There are certainly things to work on but it looks OK ... I would be more focused on her lower half.

So, with that swing I bet you she has all sorts of trouble timing pitches up. A swing like I see here makes it very difficult for the lower and upper half to be synced up and work together. Oh there will be times where a hitter just gets lucky and everything looks fine but I bet she's consistently out of sync. IME a lot of players just can't stay back on slower pitching and can't catch up with faster pitching when they have your daughters swing.

So what do I see? IMO she has way too much going on in her lower half as far as lateral movement. That high knee kick in her stride gets her hips moving back and then she throws them forward to get to toe touch. Once those hips start moving laterally it's difficult to adjust your swing timing. When and if she is able to make adjustments her swing will look segmented with the lower half either being early or late depending on the pitch. IMO she needs to limit some of that movement and focus on getting more of a rotational swing (coil and uncoil). I wouldn't change everything laterally as she's probably a candidate for a hybrid type swing.

My $.02 and it's probably not worth that. LOL
 
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Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
Most everyone here focused on upper half... to me that doesn't look too bad. There are certainly things to work on but it looks OK ... I would be more focused on her lower half.

So, with that swing I bet you she has all sorts of trouble timing pitches up. A swing like I see here makes it very difficult for the lower and upper half to be synced up and work together. Oh there will be times where a hitter just gets lucky and everything looks fine but I bet she's consistently out of sync. IME a lot of players just can't stay back on slower pitching and can't catch up with faster pitching when they have your daughters swing.

So what do I see? IMO she has way too much going on in her lower half as far as lateral movement. That high knee kick in her stride gets her hips moving back and then she throws them forward to get to toe touch. Once those hips start moving laterally it's difficult to adjust your swing timing. When and if she is able to make adjustments her swing will look segmented with the lower half either being early or late depending on the pitch. IMO she needs to limit some of that movement and focus on getting more of a rotational swing (coil and uncoil). I wouldn't change everything laterally as she's probably a candidate for a hybrid type swing.

My $.02 and it's probably not worth that. LOL


1) The notion of sync-ing the upper and lower body becomes a mute issue if you learn to use the core to pivot the swing. Hitters struggling with such synchronization need to learn to use the 'core' as an engine, and not simply the 'hips' as an engine.

2) I found this comment interesting ... "Once those hips start moving laterally it's difficult to adjust your swing timing". This is not true. A hitter's movement forward should be timed to the 'pitcher' ... and will generally take place as the pitch is released, or slightly before pitch release. As such, a hitter needs to have the ability to adjust, since they are in the process of moving forward before they know the location of where the ball will be as it approaches the plate.
 
Sep 29, 2014
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1) The notion of sync-ing the upper and lower body becomes a mute issue if you learn to use the core to pivot the swing. Hitters struggling with such synchronization need to learn to use the 'core' as an engine, and not simply the 'hips' as an engine.

2) I found this comment interesting ... "Once those hips start moving laterally it's difficult to adjust your swing timing". This is not true. A hitter's movement forward should be timed to the 'pitcher' ... and will generally take place as the pitch is released, or slightly before pitch release. As such, a hitter needs to have the ability to adjust, since they are in the process of moving forward before they know the location of where the ball will be as it approaches the plate.

Agreed the hips moving laterally is not the problem the point from which you can't adjust is releasing the hips. The problem here is since the hips never coil they are basically half released already so while you could potentially wait on a pitch with this lateral movement you can't get any power in the swing...but as a slapper that is not an issue it only becomes an issue when you want to change things up swing away and drive the ball to the gap, you can probably get away with placing the ball with a swing like this if you just want to bloop it over a drawn in infield however the outfield is usually drawn in too so that becomes harder but odds are stacked against you driving the ball to gap against that drawn in outfield.
 

rdbass

It wasn't me.
Jun 5, 2010
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Not here.
tumblr_ovf4mhN2nX1usf292o1_250.gif

This hitters coils her hips. This hitter doesn't FBC the hips. This hitter gets on top of her rear leg then goes. Hitter has a down to the ball bat path.
 
Jun 17, 2009
15,037
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Portland, OR
Agreed the hips moving laterally is not the problem the point from which you can't adjust is releasing the hips. The problem here is since the hips never coil they are basically half released already so while you could potentially wait on a pitch with this lateral movement you can't get any power in the swing...but as a slapper that is not an issue it only becomes an issue when you want to change things up swing away and drive the ball to the gap, you can probably get away with placing the ball with a swing like this if you just want to bloop it over a drawn in infield however the outfield is usually drawn in too so that becomes harder but odds are stacked against you driving the ball to gap against that drawn in outfield.

Keep in mind that this girl is not naturally left-handed. A sense of throwing from the left-side has not yet set in.

I find that a forward coil-like action can often take place naturally, without mentioning it, simply by promoting a throw like mentality.
 
Jun 17, 2009
15,037
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Portland, OR
tumblr_ovf4mhN2nX1usf292o1_250.gif

This hitters coils her hips. This hitter doesn't FBC the hips. This hitter gets on top of her rear leg then goes. Hitter has a down to the ball bat path.

There were a few missing frames in your GIF. In this case there was a particular missing frame that could make some think that there was an issue that was a non-issue.

Here's another crack at creating a GIF ...

B_on_the_tee.gif
 

rdbass

It wasn't me.
Jun 5, 2010
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Not here.
There were a few missing frames in your GIF. In this case there was a particular missing frame that could make some think that there was an issue that was a non-issue.

Here's another crack at creating a GIF ...

B_on_the_tee.gif
Well...now it 'creates' another issue of shift/pivot THEN swing.
 
Sep 29, 2014
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Not sure I'm sold she is turning her hips because of the high deep leg kick but rotating/twisting your hips around is not the same as coil and I thin kits evident as the foot comes down.

nocoil.jpgbonds heel plant.JPG

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