Swing out from the body

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Rdbass school me on swinging out from the body. I want to see if we see it the same way. I think this clip is a good example of swinging out from the body. I've heard you mention this many times so I wanted to provide this clip for you to breakdown.
 
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Rdbass school me on swinging out from the body. I want to see if we see it the same way. I think this clip is a good example of swinging out from the body. I've heard you mention this many times so I wanted to provide this clip for you to breakdown.

Shawn, I like your style. You keep the conversations going here in the DFP Tech forum....

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I really like this gif to show the differences of swinging around the body vs swinging out from.....

Around vs Out From
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Jul 20, 2013
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Gif of Bonds is clearly swining away on an outside pitch pulling back towards RF...not sure what else most players would do other than to "wrap" the barrel back around on the adjust. To me, it's just what was done in that situation at bat at that particular play.

On Rdbass:
First gif pair isn't a good comparison, the point of contact is clearly off in each by about 3 inches? Next, if I were to use the belly button reference they both have rotated quite significantly and are at about the same point of contact, pointing towards the pitcher.

Second gif to me looks like the front elbow tracks differently, although the tee is alos at the same height as the game pitch. Tee hit the front elbow tracks flatter, game pitch is more up (perhaps to get on plane with the pitch). That's one thing I've been reading about lately though, hitting off the tee is naturally a flatter swing path to avoid even a slight touch of the tee when in actuality, you should be hitting the tee just a bit, going more up than flat.

One other difference I spot between the two gif sets is that the MLB player pulls his back hip and back foot forward - a good move. Other gif set of younger player just turns on the back foot.

Thanks for letting me take a stab at it.
 
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First gif pair isn't a good comparison, the point of contact is clearly off in each by about 3 inches? Next, if I were to use the belly button reference they both have rotated quite significantly and are at about the same point of contact, pointing towards the pitcher.

Wave,

IMO whether the pitch is inside or outside players in the high level pattern swing "out from" their body. Stanton has a spinal axis. He swings around his spine. Cabrera has a rear hip pivot point. He swing out from his body on all pitches. Pitch location doesn't determine around or out from.

Second gif to me looks like the front elbow tracks differently, although the tee is alos at the same height as the game pitch. Tee hit the front elbow tracks flatter, game pitch is more up (perhaps to get on plane with the pitch).

Good observation. The hands/barrel/bat path can give you a good indication if someone is swinging around or out from. With a hand pivot point the front elbow "works up" on most pitches. With a spinal axis the front elbow will be lower.

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Jul 16, 2013
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I agree that good hitters will swing "out from" their body towards all pitch locations. The difference is in how much body rotation occurs before the "out from" happens.

When I was in little league (a long, long, long time ago), my coach always preached "short to -- long through". I still see this as a valid cue and relates well to the "out from" thoughts.
 

rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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Not here.
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Rdbass school me on swinging out from the body. I want to see if we see it the same way. I think this clip is a good example of swinging out from the body. I've heard you mention this many times so I wanted to provide this clip for you to breakdown.

It's as simple as all good hitters swing 'out from their bodies'.
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Great example of swinging 'out from' the body.
First thing to help a hitter get the 'feel' of hitting 'out from' the body is setting a tee for an outside pitch. I see a lot of hitters posted hitting 'around' their bodies.
I wanted to provide this clip for you to breakdown.
Not 'breaking down' a clip.
 
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Jun 17, 2009
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I agree that good hitters will swing "out from" their body towards all pitch locations. The difference is in how much body rotation occurs before the "out from" happens.

When I was in little league (a long, long, long time ago), my coach always preached "short to -- long through". I still see this as a valid cue and relates well to the "out from" thoughts.

Short-to/long-through is certainly valid.

I find those that embrace the concept of a lateral side bend find the "short-to" concept to be more natural.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Wave,

IMO whether the pitch is inside or outside players in the high level pattern swing "out from" their body. Stanton has a spinal axis. He swings around his spine. Cabrera has a rear hip pivot point. He swing out from his body on all pitches. Pitch location doesn't determine around or out from.



Good observation. The hands/barrel/bat path can give you a good indication if someone is swinging around or out from. With a hand pivot point the front elbow "works up" on most pitches. With a spinal axis the front elbow will be lower.

Cabrera inside
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Cabrera has several pivot points.

Curious if you see a front hip pivot point in this swing you posted?
 

rdbass

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Cabrera has several pivot points.

Curious if you see a front hip pivot point in this swing you posted?

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Are you saying that the front hip is the center point of Cabrera's rotation in this swing above. For the record I don't'. I see the front leg 'blocking' providing balance.
 

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