Swing out from the body

julray said:

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"out from" the body occurs at the point where the scissors cut. Of course this all depends on pitch location, ideally scissors would cut earlier on an outside pitch and later on an inside pitch. And this diagram is not 3D, so it does not take into account lateral tilt. If it was 3D the axis would tilt depending on pitch location as well, remain more parallel with the ground on a high pitch while steepening the angle as the pitch gets lower.

Sigh the animated gifs never work for me

https://static.diffen.com/uploadz/8/8d/Cutrope.gif

BTW, I am not talking about torso here. I'm just trying to illustrate "out from" the body

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I understand what our from is. Shawn contends it is getting flung off a merry go round. IMO out from has nothing to do with a merry go round. There is NO merry go round in a high level swing....

I asked him the question to get clarification what part of the swing he sees as the "merry go ground"? I asked if it was the barrel that got flung off and he said no.

The hip getting behind the rear leg "hip slip" is what creates the out from....

Spartans21 said:

I understand what our from is. Shawn contends it is getting flung off a merry go round. IMO out from has nothing to do with a merry go round. There is NO merry go round in a high level swing....

I asked him the question to get clarification what part of the swing he sees as the "merry go ground"? I asked if it was the barrel that got flung off and he said no.

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Gotcha.. missed that part. People see things different ways, I can understand his merry-go-round analogy to certain aspects when talking specifically about "out from". This is what we were discussing at the time. And of course I know you know what "out from" is, you helped me understand a lot of the concepts on this site. I was just trying to explain what I was thinking.

julray said:

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"out from" the body occurs at the point where the scissors cut. Of course this all depends on pitch location, ideally scissors would cut earlier on an outside pitch and later on an inside pitch. And this diagram is not 3D, so it does not take into account lateral tilt. If it was 3D the axis would tilt depending on pitch location as well, remain more parallel with the ground on a high pitch while steepening the angle as the pitch gets lower.

Sigh the animated gifs never work for me

https://static.diffen.com/uploadz/8/8d/Cutrope.gif

BTW, I am not talking about torso here. I'm just trying to illustrate "out from" the body

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julray, I see the string and scissors gif as a great example of casting or possibly a purely rotational swing with little adjustability in which to hit a SB, and not a good example of swinging "out from" the body.

The string and scissors are basically an example of the one axis "merry-go-round" swing, with the weight at the end of the bat being swung in a circle in which the hitter has to be perfectly timed to the pitch once the swing starts, and there's no way to move the end of that bat in order to get the barrel aligned into the path of the incoming pitch...and the only timing element you have is when decide to cut the string, and hope for the best.

IOWs, you're never getting "behind and through" the ball, you're trying to get "around" it, and hope you can cut the string just perfectly so barrel flying off the merry-go-round just happens to meet incoming pitch at the exactly right single moment and time in space that the two will intersect. Really not much different than swinging "down and to" the ball, but just on a different plane.

Spartans21 said:

I understand what our from is. Shawn contends it is getting flung off a merry go round. IMO out from has nothing to do with a merry go round. There is NO merry go round in a high level swing....

I asked him the question to get clarification what part of the swing he sees as the "merry go ground"? I asked if it was the barrel that got flung off and he said no.

The hip getting behind the rear leg "hip slip" is what creates the out from....

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Understand this^^^

In lay man terms - get the rear leg working under neath you. As opposed to shifting off the rear leg

Buttermaker said:

Understand this^^^

In lay man terms - get the rear leg working under neath you. As opposed to shifting off the rear leg

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So it's not possible to wrap the front elbow around your torso instead of working it up to mouth level if you get the rear leg working underneath you?

Heck anything is possible, but if you are getting the rear leg to turn under you as you keep pulling back (scap) you should be in really good shape.